Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Titus Elva

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No prejudice against a renomination. (non-admin closure) ––FormalDude talk 04:23, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Titus Elva (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:30, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Caribbean. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:30, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Elva is likely one of the most famous St. Lucian footballers. There is plenty of routine coverage like match reports, and some non-routine stuff like [1]. I don't know that anything in-depth is available online, but as the leading player for his nation (and a prolific goal-scorer in the semi-pro Trinidad & Tobago league), this could be a case for IAR. Jogurney (talk) 14:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  this source mentions the subjects name once. There is literally no source I can find that proves WP:SIGCOV Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:09, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, I wasn't suggesting I found SIGCOV of Elva. Instead, while he only receives passing mentions, they strongly suggest unlike most St. Lucian footballers he is notable. From [2], "During the 2000s, numerous St Lucia players were household names in the TT Pro League, including Earl Jean, Elijah Joseph, Valencius Joseph, Sheldon Emmanuel and Titus Elva." Also, from the link above, "Titus Elva had 19 official caps for Saint Lucia. He led a group from Trinidad and Tobago’s W Connection that included Lastic, Earl ‘Ball’ Hog Jean and Elijah Joseph, Romania-based Eric Fannis, David Flavius and Jarvin Skeete from the USA, between 2003 and 2006." My point is he was unusually well-known among St. Lucian footballers, so IAR might be a valid approach here even though we can't locate SIGCOV online. Jogurney (talk) 14:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 19:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I agree that common sense tells us that offline sources for players with as lengthy/prominent a career as this must exist. GiantSnowman 19:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - As above. Simione001 (talk) 00:03, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Per above. He was clearly significant figure in Saint Lucian football, having been Saint Lucia second highest international all time scorer and fourth highest all time international appearance maker, and has played abroad. I look at the other Sports WikiProjects (or any WikiProject) and they don't nearly have an article deleted per day, let alone 20. By the time I finish writing this, another 20 will probably be deleted. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 15:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Consensus is clearly to Keep this article but without evidence of some SIGCOV, this article will be renominated for AFD2 the day after it is closed without some additional sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep or draftify - As I mentioned above, I think there is ample evidence that Elva was a notable sportsperson in his home country and in Trinidad and Tobago (he once scored nine goals in a single match per [3]). I don't think any editor has been able to locate SIGCOV online, which is likely a result of the lack of online internet coverage from St. Lucia and Trinidad & Tobago during the early 2000's. Thus, while the article appears to fail the GNG, the evident fame of this footballer gives us a reason to apply IAR and keep the article. If not, I think draftifying provides an opportunity for further research, especially if someone has access to offline sources from that time period. Jogurney (talk) 18:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per above. Systemic bias is a bug, not a feature. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:57, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.