Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smoke (Mortal Kombat)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters. Courcelles (talk) 13:46, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Smoke (Mortal Kombat) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | [since nomination])

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Minor character that actually fails notability guidelines with lack of third-party sources. GlatorNator (talk) 07:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/Redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters. All of the reception is trivial mentions and minor gamecruft. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge or redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters per nom. Essentially no notable role in the series since day one. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 01:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This will be the 3rd Mortal Kombat character deletion attempt that is currently active. It just seems like some attempt to pull off a WP:GAME. Here's more sources that were somehow unable to be found despite me finding them in seconds: https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters3/smoke.html, https://altarofgaming.com/character/smoke/, https://legacy.mortalkombatonline.com/content/games/mk3/smoke/, http://mortalkombatwarehouse.com/mk/smoke/, https://screenrant.com/mortal-kombat-smoke-subzero-lin-kuei-cyber-initiative/, https://www.mkcsite.com/portfolio/smoke/, https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2020/nov/24/reptile-ermac-smoke-fatality-mk11ultimate/, https://www.mksecrets.net/mk3/eng/mk3-bios.php, https://www.warnerbros.co.uk/news/articles/2020/12/23/komplete-history-mortal-kombat-part-1, http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/smoke-mortal-kombat-9-guide/, https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2022/apr/19/mortal-kombat-cut-ending/, https://www.mortalkombatwarehouse.com/mk3/smoke/bio/, Smoke clearly meets WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV.KatoKungLee (talk) 18:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Please familiarize yourself with the guidelines on what sources are reliable and what sources are not. Random pages are not proof of notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ Have you gone through every single source I posted?KatoKungLee (talk) 18:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Even from the URLs I can tell that pretty much all of them are primary/unreliable/inadmissible. I don't even have to read them to know that, as it is extremely obvious from where they are located (and from my unreliable sources plugin going into heavier red alert than the Starship Enterprise). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  So, you have not and therefore you don't know.KatoKungLee (talk) 18:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not sure how "I read the URL's" equates to "I have not". If a source is inadmissible per WP:RS, what is in it is not going to change anything about the situation. Being disruptive, childish and hostile is not going to help your case. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  KatoKungLee, you are being disruptive across-the-board in these AfDs. You should know that "mortalkombatwarehouse.com" or "mksecrets.net" or "mkcsite.com" clearly do not help in establishing notability. Go check out WP:VG/RS for what are considered reliable sources before asking others to check your clearly subpar search results. It's not helping your case and it's detrimental to the process. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Those are not viable sources in the slightest. They’re either primary (Warner Bros., who happens to own the franchise, and sites with “MK” in the domain name) or deemed unreliable (EventHubs). I advise you take a look at What is and is not a reliable VG source? sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 00:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters. per nom. No SIGCOV, lots of cruft.  // Timothy :: talk  09:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect - character does not appear to have independent notability. None of the sources presented so far help prove it either - they're all a combination of unreliable sources (eventhubs), Fansites (anything with mk in the title of the site) or not third party coverage (Warner Bros). Sergecross73 msg me 14:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge Completely non-notable. No coverage. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters MetricMaster (talk) 09:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC) This user has made 47 edits to Wikipedia. Their contribution history shows that 38 of these were to AFD discussions. The account exists for votestacking and has been blocked.[reply]
• Merge and Redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters: As with the other Mortal Kombat character articles, this one is not independently notable. A spinout if unnecessary and it's padded with a whole ton of cruft. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Mortal Kombat characters. I kind of wish the nominator here had nominated all of these articles together, but with the extensive amount of WP:FANCRUFT in each of these, I understand why it's taking so long too. Nomader (talk) 15:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.