Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Han Chinese

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. I’m going to delete this as the author of the main content has admitted they made it up. I’m going to do the same for Southern Han Chinese as it is now similarly suspect. No prejudice against recreation of either as redirects. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG. We already have Han Chinese, and Northern Han. ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or redirect to Han Chinese. There is no reason why this should have its own article, when there is already the Han Chinese article.--Balthazarduju (talk) 05:39, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't delete it Since there's a paper that references the genetic differences between the Northern Han Chinese and the Southern Han Chinese, ^[1] and one about the cultural differences^[2] and further since the difference between Northern Han and Southern Han is a common topic of discussion, I think that the article meets notability guidelines. The Northern Han article is about a dynasty from the late 900's, not about the Northern Han Chinese. There's no question that Southern Han Chinese definitely meets the requirement of notability. I think Northern Han Chinese is also a legitimate concept. Han Chinese are split into a bunch of smaller groups; Northern Han Chinese is one of the larger categories.Geographyinitiative (talk) 15:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  The research I read raised questions about the genetic differences of the Northern Han Chinese - nothing confirmed. There are genetic differences between people in general, some of which is based on environmental adaptations. I don't think we should start dividing people based on genetics and DNA mapping, especially when the research is incomplete. This article can be merged to Northern Han under a population section, and perhaps a sentence of two added to Han Chinese noting the genetic research. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are major genetic differences between Northern Italians and Southern Italians, Northern French and Southern French, Northern Vietnamese and Southern Vietnamese, Northern Spaniards and Southern Spaniards, etc. and the examples goes on, so where are these articles?--Balthazarduju (talk) 22:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• • @Atsme: note that the Northern Han dynasty article isn't about the entire scope of the Northern Han people, the article you're looking for is Northern China.--Prisencolin (talk) 00:13, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Atsme, did you know there is also the Southern Han Chinese, which is new as well?--Balthazarduju (talk) 22:46, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete – spurious ethnic group, and content fork of Northern and southern China (not Northern Han, which is about a 10th-century kingdom). Ditto for Southern Han Chinese. Kanguole 16:07, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and merge any useful material, such as it is, with Han Chinese, particularly Historical southward migration of the Han people. The subject page is also a rather poor attempt, containing little material of value in any event. sirlanz 18:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The article even states: "There were several periods of mass migration of Han people to southeastern and southern China throughout history.[4] Thus most Southern Han Chinese have Northern Han ancestry.", which to me implies that the Northerner-Southerner distinction is different today from what it used to be — and then the article talks about Yuan dynasty (13th/14th centuries) and ancient DNA from 3000 years ago. I imagine we can have articles like Yuan dynasty's Four-Class System (zh:四等人制), Origins of Han Chinese, and Regional agricultures of China but I fail to see the point of this current article which talks about many different things as if they bear some relationship. Wheat and rice are not the only major agricultural crops in China - there are also sorghum, millet, and soybean regions. Timmyshin (talk) 18:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete just made this up mostly I’ll admit.—Prisencolin (talk) 20:53, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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