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Love, Sitara

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Unreleased Indian film. Nothing notable about the production, so it does not meet WP:NFF. I couldn't any sources that give WP:SIGCOV so WP:GNG is also not met. The only sources I could find only give routine coverage based on plot summaries, press releases, quotes from people involved in the film and social media posts. John B123 (talk) 20:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and India. John B123 (talk) 20:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: announced release in 12 days, and probably coverage coming with it. So this is either too early (cannot judge yet) or too late (too close to release's date). There is no need to delete or draftify for such a short period of time (which, by the time this discussion is over will be either reduced to 5 days or less than zero, if it is Relisted). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Film is as yet unreleased. Therefore a black-and-white case of not satisfying WP:NFF: Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines. Film has not yet been released, the production itself is not notable. QED. Article could have remained in draft space... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except, given existing coverage about production (cast (including notable actors, as I am sure you know), plot, filming, location, production history etc), it is far from proved that production istelf was not notable, very far.... so basically, no, nothing is demonstrated at all. And this is thus far from being a ”b/w” case. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of that has received significant coverage, that would satisfy the notability guidelines, though? It's all just entirely routine press releases - film announced, these people have been cast, production has begun... Anyway, time for others to have their say. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Instead of deleting this article, extend this discussion till the 27th and if reviews show up, then keep it. DareshMohan (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Delete !voters should consider changing their !votes to draftify. I don't think deletion is the correct decision for a film that is about to be released and will likely be notable after its release. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah it's very clearly not the best course of action to delete the article, so I hope the closer does not do so. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Novem Linguae and Hey man im josh: Normally I'd agree with you, but in this case the creator is convinced that the article, as is, easily meets WP:NFF and WP:GNG, will not discuss notability with other editors and has already reverted a draftification. I can see the article being moved back to mainspace without any significant changes almost immediately if draftify is the outcome. --John B123 (talk) 19:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there are insufficient keep !votes, perhaps the closer can close this as "The result was draftify, and the article is not to be moved back to mainspace until the movie is released in theatres." –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Novem Linguae: A movie being released doesn't make it notable. It still needs to meet GNG or the provisions of WP:NFO, the most usual one being The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. I would suggest adding and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics to the end of your proposed closing. --John B123 (talk) 19:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@John B123: None of that sounds like a good reason to delete the article instead of moving to draft space. WP:DRAFTOBJECT exists and the creator was pushed by myself and another admin to revert a draftification if they truly believed it to be inappropriate. An AfD result changes things, it makes it so that the reasons that the AfD was closed as draftify need to be addressed before moving an article to main space. Let's not try to solve a theoretical future move war by deleting content that could prove useful in the coming months, request page protection or make a report in that case if necessary. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh: I agree draftspace is the best place for this article until if/when it meets the notability requirements. Adding move protection to a draftify outcome would go a long way to ensuring it stayed there until moving to mainspace was appropriate. John B123 (talk) 20:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd much rather we wait until such protection is actually necessary. At this point in time, we have no reason believe anyone won't respect the close. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We kinda do, though. Draftifying was the correct course of action, and I would have been happy for it to be worked on there and moved to mainspace, post release, if it satisfied WP:NFILM and WP:SIGCOV, but instead the draft was moved straight back to mainspace without any improvements. Mushy Yank doesn't accept what WP:NFF says, nor does C1K98V, who below is saying "improvement shall take place in the mainspace." Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mushy Yank doesn't accept what WP:NFF says, nor does C1K98V is both inappropriate and not true. AS I'VE CLEARLY explained, I think it does MEET NFF, and SO DOES C1K98V, that is very very clearly stated in their !vote; so please refrain from making this kind of fallacious comments. You have your opinion, ours differ from yours, obviously. You may be right and us, wrong, but even if that was the case, that does not allow you to resort to personal attacks to make your point. Or just go to ANI and report us. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article satisfies both WP:GNG and WP:NFF. The film was announced and filmed during the COVID-19 period. The filming was also delayed/halted due to the pandemic. There is a specific category to list down impacted films. So I'm opposed to deletion, dratify and redirect the article. The changes and improvement shall take place in the mainspace itself. Thanks C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 02:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@C1K98V: What makes the film's production notable in your view? Which sources give WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG? --John B123 (talk) 07:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]