Talk:Jimmy Carter

Latest comment: 26 days ago by Donald Albury in topic One month, not 2 weeks

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Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 1, 2021.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Jimmy Carter claims to have seen a UFO?
In the news A news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on October 11, 2002.
Current status: Good article

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2024

Place "Carter is the most recent Democrat president to have served in the military" as the last sentence in Naval Career section. Sean 2015 (talk) 13:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Without offering an opinion as to whether or not this is warranted in the article, the adjective form is "Democratic", not "Democrat," and should be used if this suggestion is implemented. PianoDan (talk) 22:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 06:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Typo edit request

Under post presidency, 4th paragraph in the diplomacy section, there's a bit that reads "...while saying he was supported the country" if someone could fix that would be great. Scramblescram (talk) 18:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I removed the word "was". DanCherek (talk) 15:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

More pics?

Isn't there any free picture(s) from Carter's childhood, adolescence, and youth to use in this GA article? Cf. especially other contemporary US presidents and also Carter's wife Rosalynn Carter. – Hamid Hassani (talk) 06:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

his death?

I've seen reports that he has passed. Any confirmation? Hector770 (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Multiple reports, however still unconfirmed by major national or international news sources, but that could change quickly either way. --VVikingTalkEdits 15:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
The post circulating was intentionally faked and designed as a social experiment. Jimmy Carter is still alive and is in hospice care. James G Thorn (talk) 15:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
At least one local ABC affiliate picked it up, realized their mistake, and took it down. Wild times, innit? Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 15:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@James G Thorn ya I just saw that. Hector770 (talk) 15:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nope,[1] a similar thing happened to Noam Chomsky about a month ago. Maurnxiao (talk) 17:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
And here's a study of the phenomenon: 'Death by Twitter'. Donald Albury 17:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Israel and Palestine

Israel and Palestine. --- In that section it is not as clear here as it could be that Carter's use of the term "apartheid" applies to the extra-national occupied territories such as the West Bank, and not to Israel proper --- "Former US President Jimmy Carter wrote the 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. His use of the term "apartheid" was calibrated to avoid specific accusations of racism against the government of Israel, and carefully limited to the situation in Gaza and the West Bank. In a letter to the Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix, Carter made clear that he was not discussing the circumstances within Israel but exclusively within Gaza and the West Bank.[42] In a 2007 interview, he said: "Apartheid is a word that is an accurate description of what has been going on in the West Bank, and it's based on the desire or avarice of a minority of Israelis for Palestinian land. It's not based on racism...This is a word that's a very accurate description of the forced separation within the West Bank of Israelis from Palestinians and the total domination and oppression of Palestinians by the dominant Israeli military." The material in quotes is taken from the Wikipedia entry on Israel and apartheid. 2600:1017:B125:B126:7CE3:3FA6:9312:286A (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

It seems pretty clear to me. The very first sentence in that section says, "Carter's Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, a New York Times Best Seller book, published in 2006, generated controversy for characterizing Israel's policies in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip as amounting to apartheid." Do you have a proposed change you'd like to see, with a source? GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

One month, not 2 weeks

" In August, Carter said he hoped to vote for the Democratic nominee, Kamala Harris, in the 2024 presidential election, two weeks after his 100th birthday"

The same Guardian article clarified that he will turn 100 one month before the November election, not two weeks before. TheSupremeMoron (talk) 15:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

The source was indicating that early voting in Georgia starts on October 15, 2024, which is exactly two weeks after Carter's 100th birthday. Since we don't know whether Carter will make it to that date, nor when he will vote if he does make it to then, I'd say that based on how the sentence here is written, we shouldn't specify an exact relative date ("two weeks" or "one month") in the sentence. Simply saying it will be "after his 100th birthday" should suffice. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Also he'll probably vote absentee, which means he will mark his ballot even earlier, although it won't be counted until later. And we don't know what the rules are if someone dies before the count. So I agree we should leave out the exact timeframe. GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
fair enough TheSupremeMoron (talk) 17:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
From what I understand, Georgia has no laws on whether or not these votes should be counted (https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/counting-absentee-ballots-after-a-voter-dies), so it's unclear what would happen to his ballot Qqars (talk) 17:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
According to People magazine, Georgia does not have any laws barring a ballot from being counted if someone dies between the early voting period and Election Day. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:25, 9 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Voting is via secret ballot, so it would be quite interesting how they would know the vote to disregard it, gotcha ? 82.131.147.255 (talk) 22:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
An absentee ballot can be rejected (for an invalid signature or other procedural error) up until it is removed from the envelope and placed in the pile to be counted. When that occurs depends on state law. Donald Albury 22:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Genocide without a source

I've already reverted this once, but per BLP policy I think we need to immediately remove the statement that Carter supported genocide until a source citation is provided.

Also per WP:LEAD this needs to be stated and sourced in the body of the article, not in the lead, although it can be summarized there. GA-RT-22 (talk) 01:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

The sources for Carter's support for the Indonesian government even as it committed a genocide are in the lead section. No, Carter probably wasn't jumping around in jubilation at the sight of the victims, but he made the realpolitik decision to support the regime as it carried out such atrocities. Maurnxiao (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Lead section, which starts with The lead section should summarise with due weight the life and works of the person. When writing about controversies in the lead section of a biography, relevant material should neither be suppressed nor allowed to overwhelm: always pay scrupulous attention to reliable sources, and make sure the lead correctly reflects the entirety of the article. The decision as to whether an item in the body of the article has sufficient weight to be included in the lead is subject to discussion by interested editors, and, if questioned, there must be a consensus to include it. You should have opened a discussion here the first time you were reverted, if you still wanted to add that item to the lead. You do seem to be on a campaign to add contentious material to the leads of articles about famous leaders. The need to seek consensus for adding any item to the lead if anyone has objected applies to all of those articles, and particular so to any article about a living or recently deceased person. If you continue to add controversial items to leads without a consensus to so, you may, and likely will, become subject to sanctions on your editing. Donald Albury 14:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply