Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Women's Revelations Cup

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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Women's Revelations Cup

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Football, and Mexico. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There was a lot of coverage about this tournament in Spanish and English (even though Canada finished last). You also get different results if you use google.com.mx since Mexico was the host. Additional sources in India as well since this was a warm-up tournament for the 2022 FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup in India. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further note: You can't just search on "Women's Revelations Cup" (in quotes) and expect to find it via google.com (which by the way filters what you can see based on your geographic location and search patterns). Try "Revelations Cup" and "women" or "Revelations Cup" and "FMF" and "2022" – it could also be because "Women's" doesn't parse well because of the apostrophe, etc. – you start to get a different set of results than if you only search with quotes or only search google.com. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:29, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Y This article meet with neutral point of view of all countries in the tournament.
Y This article was based only on information published in reliable sources (secondary sources and official web site for complemented).

Some topics are of interest only to some people, but since Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, articles that interest some people should be kept.

Comment. This article should be kept. The article can be tagged for cleanup or attention, or improved through editing, but not for deletion.

Relates articles:
2022 Sud Ladies Cup
Revelations Cup
2022 SheBelieves Cup. Rey1996ss (talk) 17:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, what's needed is some reliable sources in newspapers or websites for example. Wikipedia articles don't help, unfortunately. The good news is, Cielquiparle says there are sources and they are very good at finding them. Looks like they've already added some. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 19:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:43, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and pinging @GiantSnowman: The actual article already has more sources than most equivalent tournament articles. Even if a couple of the sources below are blogs, there is also coverage in Canadian mainstream news outlets and local Mexican media outlets as well.

On format of tournament and Mexico dates: Nation World News (17 August 2022)
On Colombia v. Canada: Toronto Sun (1 September 2022) – widely syndicated, so other newspaper versions of the same article also available
On Mexico v. Chile: Enlace Noticias 24 (1 September 2022)
On Colombia v. Chile: El Sol de Léon (3 September 2022)
On Mexico v. Canada: The Globe and Mail (5 September 2022) – also widely syndicated to other Canadian newspapers
On Canada v. Chile: Contragolpe (6 September 2022) – most likely a blog; Maple Ridge News (8 September 2022)
On Mexico v. Colombia and final result: OneFootball (7 September 2022)
On Champions Colombia U-17 women: One Football (9 September 2022) Cielquiparle (talk) 03:03, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some basic match reports do not infer notability. Giant Snowman 18:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: I'm not sure I agree – what is a tournament, after all, if not a series of matches that are notable collectively? – but yes, there is also non-match-report coverage we can demonstrate, that makes the 2022 Women's Revelations Cup at least as notable as the men's Revelations Cup.

Nation World News (17 August 2022) – pre-tournament build-up/schedule/format/tie-in to 2022 FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup
Bolavip (31 August 2022) – pre-tournament build-up, ft. 2 Mexico players ahead of 1st match
AM (2 September 2022) – build-up to Mexico v. Canada, article by Gabriel Marquez
Esto Soccer (2 September 2022) – report on Mexico standing relative to other 3 nations
Esto Soccer (6 September 2022) – Mexico runner-up finish in tournament (though also includes a match report)
Maple Ridge News (8 September 2022) – feature article on player Jamie Perrault's participation in Canada's victory over Chile
One Football (9 September 2022) – summary re: Colombia as champions, article by Yuly Sopó Bejarano

If there is some other criteria we should be following for tournaments specifically, or other type of coverage you are looking for, please let me know. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:45, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is an international friendly tournament obviously. If you need more references about Colombia holding the winner-tournament trophy click below:

Reference 1: Colombian Football Federation
Reference 2: onefootball.com
Reference 3: Fémina Fútbol Magazine
Reference 4: minuto30.com
Reference 5: Revelations Cup Mexico-Official Twitter
There was a little confussion - some people thought this wasn't real, or this wasn't a tournament. But this was the inaugural edition of the tournament, some people did not know about this tournament. There are many friendly-tournaments: SheBelievesCup, Toulon/Maurice Revello, or Arnold Clark Cup. The only difference is that this is U-17. In fact, the match ceremony was attended by members of the local government of León, Guanajuato.
Authorities for Mexican Football Federation and local government of León in the tournament award ceremony: click on 2:31:06
Colombia with the tournament champion trophy: 2:37:28 Rey1996ss (talk) 18:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. A lot of sources have been presented, just need some assurance they confer adequate notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Y The article should be keep This article confer notability WP:EVENT:

The scope of reporting its national and international.
The article were very widely covered in diverse sources: Television, sport magazines, newspapers, social media etc.
The article is a precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance is likely to be notable.
Its the inaugural edition for women's and there was 2 editions for men's: this does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable.
A lot of sources have been presented: the event received significant coverage. There are secondary sources and principal/direct references as well.
Diversity of sources, per above: Wikipedia's general notability guideline recommends that multiple sources be provided to establish the notability of a topic.
The matches not be considered routine because this is a Tournament: at the end of the tournament was given: a troppy champion, top scorer award and fair play award. -That's the same situation in 2022 Sud Ladies Cup, that article it's a 4 U-20 teams tournament, the Women's Revelations Cup it's a 4 U-17 teams tournament, so both articles should be keep.Rey1996ss (talk) 00:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.