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I've noticed that most articles mentioning the Indian rupee appear to use the old Rs[.] symbol or the lakh crore system, rather than the new (as of 2010) ₹ symbol. Is there a standard around which symbol to use, and should instances of "Rs" when referring to the Indian rupee be changed to the new symbol? Exobiotic 💬 ✒️ 13:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Exobiotic You can use Template:INR and Template:INRConvert — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 15:18, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone provide an update for the MOS:INDICSCRIPT? Is the guideline still applicable or are there any exceptions to the guideline, especially in Wikiproject Hinduism? I'm seeing multiple articles with notes suggesting so. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What multiple articles with what notes suggesting "so" what?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ashwatthama is one such article with a nowiki note. Is there such a guideline proposed and accepted? Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is a "nonwiki note"? Note about what, where on the page, saying what? Please try to be clearer about what issue you are raising and what you expect to be done about it. No one here is a mind-reader.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hidden note on the lead about the MOS:INDICSCRIPT is what I'm talking about. Sorry for the confusion. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see an HTML comment there that reads <!--Do not remove, WP:INDICSCRIPT doesn't apply to WikiProject Hinduism--> That's a nonsensical statement, since there is no such thing as a wikiproject that is magically immune to guidelines and policies applying to it. This may be a mangled attempt at referring to some consensus discussion that came to a conclusion that certain Indic script renditions might be particularly relevant at certain topical articles, but we'll need to see what that discussion might be, if there has actually been one.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the same. I've been searching all the pages on MOS for something of the sort, but couldn't find any such guideline. Thanks.

Removal of Indic scripts does not apply to articles on Hinduism (or Buddhism). RegentsPark (comment) 21:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be at all possible to have an alternative system for Indic scripts in infoboxes rather than (in most cases) removing them all? Ex. something that looks/actsworks parallel to Template:Infobox Indic letter or Template:Infobox Chinese? OfTheUsername (talk) 20:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You'll probably need to get consensus for this since the text of the MOS says "infoboxes". Personally, I think a collapsible box attached to a "Names" section may not be a bad idea RegentsPark (comment) 21:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently there is an Indian law against naming names in some crime contexts, a recent rfc on a specific such issue can be seen at Talk:2024_Kolkata_rape_and_murder_incident#RfC:_Name_of_victim.

It strikes me that this is unlikely to be the only WP-article that bumps up against this law, there is Category:Rape in India and probably other areas as well.

So my question is, is this something that MOS:INDIA should address somehow? "Context matters and the usual WP:DR processes apply as necessary." or something like that. Or very different. Ping @Tamzin and @JSutherland (WMF) if you wish to comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There have been other articles in the past where this came up. Fowler&fowler gave the example 2012 Delhi gang rape and murder, which was actually the first article I ever edited extensively, when I was a wee 16-year-old burba, and I remember both the initial decision to name the victim and the subsequent removal. I don't think it's the law that's relevant, but rather the cultural norms it represents—much like how many images that some countries would consider obscene are proscribed under MOS:OMIMG, but because of their shocking nature, not because of those countries' laws. I don't have a strong opinion on whether MOS:INDIA should discuss this, but if it does, I think it should be a broad statement about respecting BLP/BDP; understanding that the Indian understanding of privacy here is not necessarily the same as the Western one, particularly regarding the deceased; and looking to high-quality reliable sources for guidance. We can see at MOS:DEADNAME the horrors unleashed by trying to tailor a guideline too closely to a specific set of cultural circumstances, and MOS:INDIA would do well not to repeat that mistake. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 09:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Tamzin. This is very well written. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also feel the arguments that 'what value does the name add for the reader that "a 31 year old female postgraduate trainee doctor at R. G. Kar Medical College and Hospital in Kolkata, West Bengal, India" does not?' are very compelling. I think perhaps our MOS should include specifically that we can weigh that value against any cultural norms for the victim's family. Valereee (talk) 10:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And yes, I definitely think we should be discussing in terms of cultural norms, not local law or court orders. Local law and court orders are only relevant in that they may be indicators of cultural norms and may be telling us, "Hey, maybe want to discuss this, it may be important in the context of the cultural norms, as we could be causing actual damage to these living people who are members of the victim's family." Valereee (talk) 11:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As i have read that we cant use regional names in regional scripts, But why the hell!? For example we should write "Ludhiana (Hindi:लुधियाना Punjabi: Gurmukhi-ਲੁਧਿਆਣਾ Shahmukhi - لدھیاݨہ Iast: ......" So what's the problem! Maheep Singh24 (talk) 17:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOINDICSCRIPT evolved because of massive edit warring over which scripts should be included/excluded, and what order they should appear in. Language-warring was a serious problem in Indian articles, and, although it has not disappeared, it is far less of a problem than it used to be. - Arjayay (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]