Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finnur Justinussen

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 11:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Finnur Justinussen

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Contested PROD. Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:03, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 21:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I don't agree at all, that this player is not notable and that he has not played in a professional league. He plays in the best Faroese league, Faroe Islands Premier League (Vodafonedeildin), there are many other Faroese players who have their own article here on Wikipedia, should they all be deleted??? I don't think so! (If you think that they all should be deleted, than I will stop at once to write about Faroese football and football players, there is no point if the articles gets deleted). This player, Finnur Justinussen, was the top scorer in Vodafonedeildin in 2009 and the same year he was elected Young Player of the Year of a Faroese newspaper, who elect one young player of the year every year. Justinussen has also played 8 matches for his country in the youth national team U21 Faroe Islands, in these 8 matches which he played the Faroe Islands won two matches, played two draws and lost four matches. The team played against Russia on 9. June 2009 (Justinussen didn't play this match) and the result was 1-0 to the Faroe Islands 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship qualification Group 1, isn't that notable for the team and the players? This team is the first national team of the Faroe Islands which has gained 11 points in an international competition. I think that there is a great chance that Justinussen soon will play for the National team of the Faroe Islands too. EileenSanda (talk) 20:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not infer racist motives where none exist. I am not nominating this article on the grounds that the subject Faroese. There are plenty of Faroese footballers who are notable, as evidenced by the fact that they have articles. I simply do not believe Mr. Justinussen is one of them. The Faroese league is not fully professional and therefore insufficient to grant notability under WP:NSPORT. Furthermore, NSPORT specifically states that youth international caps do not confer notability. The claim that he will play for the senior national team is speculation, making it an improper basis for notability. If you can provide significant coverage in reliable source, as stated in WP:N, I would be more than willing to withdraw this nomination, but at this time he does meet any of the criteria for notability as laid out under standing Wikipedia guidelines. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did not say anything about racism, I didn't mean to imply that. I just tried to improve the article, but he has not played for clubs in other countries as far as I know (or as far as I can find on the internet), so if the criteria is that a Faroese player must play or have played in another country or for the national team of the Faroe Islands (and not U21 i.e.) than there is nothing more I can do about this article. I just thought that being the top scorer in the best Faroese division and being elected "Young Player of the Year" should be a sign of notability (in the Faroe Islands that is notable, but of course in the rest of the world that probably doesn't count for much). Yes, of course it was only speculation, that he may be playing for the national team of the Faroe Islands sometime in the future, nobody knows that, I shouldn't have written that, sorry. I don't have any personal relation to this football player, other than the fact that we come from the same country, we come from different islands, I don't know him. The team from my village is FC Suðuroy, which just got relegated. Well, we will see what this ends up with. Deletion or not deletion. I still say Keep, but that is of course not up to me. Regarding the question about fully professional or not, most of the players in the best Faroese division get a wage for playing football now, they didn't earlier. Some get a wage that is what would be the same as having a part-time job (working half time or so), other get more others get less. The players change more between the clubs now in order to earn more money and to get better, and I think that more and more players go abroad to play football. EileenSanda (talk) 21:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. J Mo 101 (talk) 02:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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