Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Stevanovic

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Contested WP:PROD, youth team footballer with no first team appearances in his career, fails WP:ATHLETE. Angelo (talk) 17:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Angelo (talk) 17:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
keep he has played for Inter Milan (one of the worlds most famous soccer teams - translation for US editors :-)) first team alongside Samuel Eto'o in attack. Okay it was a friendly against Al Hilal and if he never plays another game I would be inclined to delete but he is obviously at the start of his career. Polargeo (talk) 18:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As you noticed yourself, it was not a competitive game. Friendly games often involve players who usually are not part of the first team, and sometimes even youth team players (even 15-year old guys, I could give you some names if you want me to), that's why they don't give notability. I could also mention of even a number of reality show winner from an amateur football team (the team was Cervia, the reality show was called Campioni) who had played friendly games a couple of years ago in the summer for Juventus, Inter and AC Milan. Or Gene Gnocchi, a comedian who used to play a friendly game for Parma at the age of 54 (not typically a footballing age). If the subject manages to play a competitive game later in his career, then the article can be recreated. --Angelo (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a 15 year old boy, or a comedian [1][2][3][4]. This guy is 19 years old on 7 January. He has just played for one of the biggest clubs in the world professionally playing alongside the captain of the Cameroon national team. He only signed for the club's senior side on the 1st January and he is already given an outing with the first team. Delete away and recreate in a couple of weeks if you like but that seems pointless. Polargeo (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And after getting to play with the first team in the friendly on 2 January he was then one of seven substitutes on the bench for the Serie A game today [5]. Polargeo (talk) 21:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

delete This seems pretty clear cut to me. He fails WP:ATHLETE, and isn't notable in any other way. The article should obviously be recreated when and if he makes his proffessional debut. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Delete~~, currently fails WP:ATHLETE guidelines as he has not played at a fully-professional level of football. He also fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant media coverage beyond the odd WP:NTEMP match reports and stuff. Recreate if and when he satisfies any of the above criteria. --Jimbo^[online] 19:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep, now passes WP:ATH. --Jimbo^[online] 09:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please refer to my links above. He clearly meets the general notability guideline. Polargeo (talk) 21:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In order to qualify for notability, a player must actually take part in a game. Stevanovic merely sat on the bench, and therefore still fails WP:ATHLETE Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly he did play a professional game (although it was a friendly). Second and more importantly he meets WP:GNG even if he is only marginally meeting WP:Athlete Polargeo (talk) 22:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Friendlies are not sufficient of meeting WP:ATH. As noted previously, trialists/youth/randoms often take part and in the wider WP:FOOTY community are deemed not noteworthy. I don't see any sufficient media coverage that passes WP:N, just WP:NTEMP standard issue references about his move to Inter. --Jimbo^[online] 22:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have obviously not convinced you of the wisdom of my arguments. I think I am accutely aware that this is Inter Milan and at his level he would probably walk into the first 11 of any US soccer team. I have copied this to user space and will simply create the article when he achieves the even higher standards which you are demanding. Polargeo (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I wondered why we weren't finding more news for this guy. He is more commonly found under "Alen Stevanovic" I have added the find sources for this variation of his name at the top but to give an example [6],[7],[8],[9],[10]. There is also a little more info on the German wikipedia under this name de:Alen Stefanović including two appearences for the Serbian national team at under 18 level and the fact that he played for the Serbian team FK Radnički Obrenovac on loan from Inter Milan last summer, although without decent Serbian I cannot work out whether he had first team professional appearences for them or not. Polargeo (talk) 08:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. —Polargeo (talk) 08:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As per this referenced list, only the top level of Serbian football is professional. --Jimbo^[online] 14:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)-[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:ATH and WP:GNG Spiderone 21:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:ATH and WP:GNG - just because he plays for Inter and has been named on the bench doesn't mean he currently meets guidelines, just as players here in the UK don't meet the guidelines until they either start a match or come of the bench in a competitive professional match. Recreate if player does either of the above Steve-Ho (talk) 22:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as now meets WP:ATH after debut for club in a competitive match Steve-Ho (talk) 22:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Lack of reliable source and most importantly fails WP:ATH. He did not made his debut, yet. Matthew_hk t c 20:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Stevanovic has officially made his Serie A debut for Inter Milan on January 9th, 2010. Edgar (talk) 21:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hooray perfect timing. Saves deleting the article and starting it up again. A victory of stats rather than common sense. Polargeo (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And the Inter Milan official website says "Stevanovic's first contribution is an inch-perfect through ball for Pandev" a good start! Polargeo (talk) 21:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per ATHLETE after recent debut.--ClubOranje^T 22:12, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. AFDing players for major first division teams that are clearly about to make an appearance, is really a waste of everyone's time. Nfitz (talk) 02:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It is not waste your time, he made his professional debut during deletion process. I can made 100 example of "first teamer" that had first team shirt number but failed to made a professional debut, especially for Internazionale. Matthew_hk t c 16:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

and in fairness to the nominator, he was with the club for nearly a year before making this debut, so he wasn't necessarily clearly about to make an appearance--ClubOranje^T 21:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Many poor Internazioale player with Inter for 10 year and even turned 21 at Inter and retired from professional football BEFORE made any professional debut. Matthew_hk t c 23:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per ATHLETE after recent debut.--EchetusXe 11:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per ATHLETE after recent debut.--batobatobato (talk) 01:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: now passes ATHLETE due to playing in a fully-pro game. -- Big Dom 21:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.