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I know Shrinkflation exists, but not every neologism needs its own page, many times pages such as this require much more substantial coverage to show the term is lasting and not simply a product of WP:Recent as well. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - this is a distinct concept and one that is widely discussed in politics around the world and needs its own page to reflect that discussion. Also, the article when this notice was posted had 48 references - how many references does an article need to show that it is notable?Update: Keep and move to: Sellers' inflation - this is a more encyclopedic/academic synonym.
The article also has incorporated some of the feedback given here including shifting away from listing examples to two new sections:
1) 'Mechanisms' which outlines the drivers of sellers' inflation according to this theory (information assymetry and monopoly power)
2) 'Proposed remedies' that quickly summarizes the tools proposed to address inflation under this theory (e.g. windfall profit taxes and price caps). Superb Owl (talk) 02:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Finance, Politics, and Economics. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but severely trim down. The cited sources are reliable and significant, but we don't need so many of them. The article is basically a definition followed by a laundry list of every conceivable example. The concept can be adequately described in a couple of paragraphs. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 02:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- 100% agree on there being too many examples - have been working to trim, summarize and organize the more reliable sources to incorporate your feedback but any tips on which remaining examples are excessive would be helpful Superb Owl (talk) 06:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Price gouging. SPECIFICO talk 02:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Much of this content came from price gouging but was rejected for being broader than price gouging which is a legal threshold in many places, whereas greedflation is a spectrum of legal and illegal activity (depending on the place) Superb Owl (talk) 02:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Inflation is not illegal. SPECIFICO talk 02:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly Superb Owl (talk) 04:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Inflation is not illegal. SPECIFICO talk 02:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Much of this content came from price gouging but was rejected for being broader than price gouging which is a legal threshold in many places, whereas greedflation is a spectrum of legal and illegal activity (depending on the place) Superb Owl (talk) 02:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Price gouging. soibangla (talk) 03:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Price gouging. Shrinkflation is an example of price gouging and would naturally fit very well there. The Price Gouging article only mentions "Shrinkflation" in passing, currently... a merge would fix that. Marcus Markup (talk) 10:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- This article only mentions shrinkflation once in passing Superb Owl (talk) 07:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- I meant 'greedflation' of course. It gets hard sometimes, keeping all the neologisms straight. Marcus Markup (talk) 15:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, I now think that a Merge !vote into Price gouging would also make sense, with the content greatly condensed too. I am ok with either a merge or a delete closing. Iljhgtn (talk) 12:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I would argue that Price Gouging is more accurately an example of Greedflation, rather than the other way around. A lot of these sorts of terms are also very contentiously defined on the internet, and there's a substantive lack of authoritative positions on it on Wikipedia or elsewhere. MasterOfGrey(MoG) (talk) 01:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: as seen in discussion so far, the relationship between greedflation/sellers' inflation and price gouging is not really clear to me; can't tell from scanning both articles. I'm not comfortable voting until it's clearer. I think it's possible that the articles can have sufficiently different scope to merit separate articles. seefooddiet (talk) 18:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'm going to relist this once. While, numerically, more editors are arguing for a Merge, several editors believe that this subject is distinct from that of the merge target article (and one of those editors said so without offering a bolded "vote"). So, I think the difference of opinion is worth considering for a few more days.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)- Different Merge, I am not certain that "Seller's inflation" and so called "Greedflation" are the same thing, but regardless, I am now thinking that the better merge might be on the Inflation article instead of Price gouging. Either way, I still believe that either merge (to Inflation or Price gouging) is an improvement over keeping this hyper-recent neologism as its own article. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- A sub-section on Inflation would be best. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Different Merge, I am not certain that "Seller's inflation" and so called "Greedflation" are the same thing, but regardless, I am now thinking that the better merge might be on the Inflation article instead of Price gouging. Either way, I still believe that either merge (to Inflation or Price gouging) is an improvement over keeping this hyper-recent neologism as its own article. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it is a relatively modern coined term and was a candidate for Word of the Year by Collins Dictionary in 2023. The sourcing is good for the page to remain. --美しい歌 (talk) 10:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. The Price gouging page seems like a better place for this content, at least some of it. Doctorstrange617 (talk) 16:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep - 1) Having trouble seeing where the current version would fit in either the price gouging or the inflation articles. 2) The topic seems very notable and is not the same as price gouging (which is just one way to cause sellers' inflation) (update: did not know commenting twice was not allowed)Superb Owl (talk) 06:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)- Comment, @Superb Owl was the creator of the original "Greedflation" page, and has already cast a !vote in the earlier listing. My understanding is that one does not get to !vote again after a closing admin relists a AfD discussion. I would respectfully ask @Superb Owl to do a
strikethroughof this latest comment. - Also, just to clarify, since I did comment above again after the relisting as a Different Merge, but that was new information, not more of the same. Also, I am still perfectly satisfied with a Merge into Price gouging if that is the most well-defined consensus as demonstrated above. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Your second comment was what confused me and did not know that is how relisting comments worked - thanks for letting me know. Superb Owl (talk) 15:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, @Superb Owl was the creator of the original "Greedflation" page, and has already cast a !vote in the earlier listing. My understanding is that one does not get to !vote again after a closing admin relists a AfD discussion. I would respectfully ask @Superb Owl to do a
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 22:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)- Yeah, personally I feel like "greedflation" is kind of a left-wing buzzword more than it's an actual concept that needs a mention on wikipedia.
- I think greedflation should redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%932023_inflation_surge. It doesn't really warrant its own page. MJThomasH (talk) 15:57, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, the consensus would appear to be somewhat in favor of the merge, but I would like to add that the Keep !votes have been largely devoid of policy arguments. Both WP:NEO and WP:Recent as mentioned on the Merge side seem to clearly should that "Greedflation" is too recent to warrant inclusion and having its own unique article. The coverage also is often more about "Sellers' inflation", so regardless that should be the name of the new section when merged over to Price gouging. 170.170.200.174 (talk) 01:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. While I see the concept as often overused, it still exists as a concept distinct from price gouging (which is a short-term response to an emergency). It's closer to profiteering. Jerdle (talk) 00:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WeirdNAnnoyed, MasterOfGrey(MoG), 美しい歌|美しい歌, and Jerdle. A distinct concept in itself, with adequate sourcing. Sal2100 (talk) 17:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to price gouging. It's not actually a type of inflation, what this is describing is a buzzword for the act of price gouging that has already been a thing for ages beforehand. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Price gouging since no evidence has been provided to prove that this is a "distinct concept". Some other comments claim as such, but have provided no sources that prove this is a "distinct" concept at all.64.60.120.211 (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- "There is broad consensus among economists that the role of profits in fueling inflation is one feature of the recent inflationary episode that made it different from the 1970s. Yet how much of a role profits played is the subject of controversy." - per WSJ Dec. 2023 Some use the term interchangeably but not clear that they are synonyms Superb Owl (talk) 21:47, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The whole article as of today is nonsense and false equivalence, mostly from poor sources and SYNTH. TNT may be better than trying to merge some shreds of good content. SPECIFICO talk 11:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)