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The article does not meet WP:N. It has two references to Natami's vendor, which cannot evidence notability as they are not independent of the subject and its creator. The further reading section has a link to a personal website, which is does not meet WP:RS. Google Web returns 373 results for "Natami" AND Amiga -wiki -wikipedia -blog -forum; and limiting the results to English, there are 299. Most of the results appear to be irrelevant (they are Wikipedia mirrors or about something else) and the relevant results do not meet WP:RS. Rilak (talk) 08:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I think this article is notable enough, only that it is missing a few 3rd-party references. I just added info about the MX boards + a reference, I might add more references later on. --Marko75 (talk) 18:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The reference added is a forum discussion. It is not a reliable source per WP:RS and therefore is not evidence of notability. Rilak (talk) 00:46, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: While there might not be that much references, since product is not done yet, and ommunity talking about natami is small, it definetily is notable enough. Many Amigans have said in Forums that this is only new Amiga they are intrested in. Also Dave Haynie (one of the original Commodore techie guys behind some of the original Amigas) have also said that from current new amigas (Pegasos, X1000, Sam, Natami), Natami is only one having true Amiga spirit in it, and in his opinion is most interesting of them all. There are lots of talk among Amigans on Amiga forums about Natami, also Amiga Future (print Amiga magazine) have had several times space for Natami news and stuff. Although notable only for a small group (at max 10s of thousands), it definetily is notable. --Bugala (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The argument that the subject has little coverage because it is not yet available is questionable given the fact the article is quite detailed. That means the information is out there, but remains unnoticed by reliable publications, suggesting the lack of notability. Regarding what Amiga fans are saying in forums, it is irrelevant to the question of notability, since it is not coverage in independent and reliable secondary sources. What David Haynie is alleged to have said about Natami is irrelevant, unless it can be verified. The coverage in Amiga Future could evidence notability, but unless the necessary details are provided so that other editors can assess the coverage, the statement that there is coverage is just an assertion. Rilak (talk) 01:11, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Here is some of the coverage from Amiga Future [1]. The project has also had extensive news and article coverage on Amiga sites and webmags such as PPA.pl, Amiga-Impact, Obligement, Safir, Amiga.org, Amigaworld and several other sites. I can dig up further links if you require it. I would judge the notability of the Natami as equal to several other FPGA console or home computer clones having Wikipedia articles, such as FireBee/Atari Coldfire Project [2], Minimig [3] or 1chipMSX [4]. See also the main Wikipedia category page for these types of projects: [5]. Most of of your criticism (sole sources are primary sources or forum posts/blog posts) also apply to many of these pages, but I do not think that is reason enough for marking them for deletion.

Delete: Not notable, it's one of millions of electronics projects that hasn't even been completed. Wikipedia is not a place for Amiga (or any other kind of) evangelism. Koft (talk) 21:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. It isn't even in manufacture and has demonstrated no notability.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   21:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: While the article does need some work the subject I think it's notable. Zac67 (talk) 21:41, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This does not establish notability per WP:ILIKEIT. Rilak (talk) 00:59, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Keep" Keep its available to developers now and consumers by the end of the year of 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.41.169 (talk) 23:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The availability of the product is irrelevant to its notability. Notability is solely dependent of the amount of coverage a subject has received in independent, reliable secondary sources per WP:N. An unreleased product can be notable and a released product not notable. It could be argued that if a product is likely to become notable when released, since more information will be available, then the benefit of the doubt should be given, but this is not the case since the article is already detailed. The information is all out there, but no publication has deemed it worthy of covering. Rilak (talk) 00:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It's not complete, but it's approximately as far along as the X1000, which nobody seems to be contesting the notability of. Wikipedia might not be "a place for Amiga evangelism," but this article is not at all evangelistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commodorejohn (talk • contribs) 00:05, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that nobody is contesting the notability of the X1000, a similar product, is irrelevant to this discussion. The notability of Natami (or the lack of) exists independently of the X1000. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Rilak (talk) 00:50, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]