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can we keep anything that doesnt have anything to do with the book out of here please. THAT INCLUDES THIS PAGE AND THE ONE AFTER AND BEFORE IT. thanks([[User:64.252.114.56|64.252.114.56]] 00:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC))
can we keep anything that doesnt have anything to do with the book out of here please. THAT INCLUDES THIS PAGE AND THE ONE AFTER AND BEFORE IT. thanks([[User:64.252.114.56|64.252.114.56]] 00:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC))


== Deletion of speculation ==
== Deal ==
''I've deleted all speculation that is not related to anything confirmed by Paolini or verifiable sources. If I deleted anything that is legitimate in that fashion, please restore it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not some discussion board where opinions are stated loosely. Speculation belongs on the discussion board, and please keep it there.''
<small>The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:68.198.239.81]].</small>


We have had this discussion repeatedly before, and I believe that the time has come to resolve it finally. We cannot have single users deleting and reverting the section. I feel that a straw poll of user opinions is necessary to provide an overall view of opinions on removing the speculations on this page. In the mean time, I have reinstated the speculation on the page; please do not remove until his discussion has been concluded (2 July 2006?).
Ok. We'll copy and paste the speculation onto here, and people can add stuff.
''[[User:Ck_lostsword|Ck l]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[User:Ck_lostsword|stsw]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[user:Ck_lostsword|rd]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Ck_lostsword|queta!]]</sup> 09:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)''


Onto the Talk Page? ([[User:11987|11987]] 16:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC))
([[User:11987|11987]] :, July 2006 (UTC))
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===Support deletion===
#I have to support the deletion of speculation. There is way too much of it, and people keep adding more. The speculation does not improve the article, and it is all original research and SPECULATION. I believe it should be deleted. ([[User:11987|11987]] 16:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC))
#Delete all speculation as [[WP:NOT|wikipedia is not a crystal ball]]. Or at the most, keep all speculation on this page.--<span class="user-sig user-Shreshth91">May the Force be with you! [[User:Shreshth91|Shr]][[User:Shreshth91/Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Shreshth91|shth91]][[Wikipedia:Editor review/Shreshth91|<sup><font color="green">(review me!)</font></sup>]]</span> 17:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
#Please delete most or all of it! For heaven's sake, it seems like every single possibility has been covered. I think the stuff that Paolini has confirmed should stay, but not much else. BTW, is there an Inheritance wiki? We could transfer the speculation there if people really want to keep it all someplace. — [[User:75.4.98.151|75.4.98.151]] 02:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


===Oppose deletion===
Yes.
# See above ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Empire_%28Inheritance_trilogy%29#Crystal_Ball Crystal Ball]. I believe that much of this fan information provides valid ideas about what might happen in the next book. However, the information that is included must be carefully vetted for style and repetitions, and it would be preferable if most of the speculation were kept on this page, with only some very likely 'facts' on the main article. [[User:Ck_lostsword|Ck l]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[User:Ck_lostsword|stsw]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[user:Ck_lostsword|rd]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Ck_lostsword|queta!]]</sup> 09:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
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===Final result===
''Support Deletion - 3; Oppose Deletion - 1''. I have deleted the speculation section. Thanks everyone - not a bad numbre of responses! [[User:Ck_lostsword|Ck l]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[User:Ck_lostsword|stsw]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[user:Ck_lostsword|rd]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Ck_lostsword|queta!]]</sup> 12:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


== Why can't we just get along? ==
I think that can be allowed. Just not on the article page. ([[User:11987|11987]] 16:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC))


Come on! Just keep the speculation there! It's not doing any harm. Here's an idea. Make a page called ''Inheritance 3rd Book Speculation''! There's nothing wrong with that.
:That seems perfectly fair to everyone. Thanks 11987! [[User:Ck_lostsword|Ck l]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[User:Ck_lostsword|stsw]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[user:Ck_lostsword|rd]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Ck_lostsword|queta!]]</sup> 19:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


We've already discussed this. If you have a problem with it, you should blame yourself and everyone else who didn't vote for not voting. ([[User:11987|11987]] 06:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC))
Great. :-)


I talked to people and they want the speculation to stay. 5 people to be exact on my neopets guild.
== Speculation ==


And 4 people voted. That's not a large enough sample.
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:I'm really sorry, but as [[WP:NOT|wikipedia is not a crystal ball]], and thus, speculation is not allowed. If you want to have speculation, you should do so on speculation forums, or at the most, on this page (the talk page). --<span class="user-sig user-Shreshth91">May the Force be with you! [[User:Shreshth91|Shr]][[User:Shreshth91/Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Shreshth91|shth91]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections/Vote|<sup><font color="green">(esperanza elections!)</font></sup>]]</span> 15:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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; Concerning How a Person Is Chosen To Be a Rider
*It is commonly thought that a person's parentage affects their chances of becoming a [[Dragon Rider|Rider]]. However, many, or even most, of the Riders had might not have Riders for parents. Probably the best reason is that it still depends upon a dragon in its egg to choose any given person as its Rider. Hence there exists no absolute chance of the above being true. This idea may have taken root from the fact that both Morzan's known sons became Riders.
*Paolini confirmed in a March 2006 interview that when a dragon and Rider become linked, the Rider's magic immediately takes on the color of the dragon's scales. However, this does not mean that if you are a magic user born with green energy, you cannot be paired with an amethyst-colored dragon, for example. On being linked, your magic will automatically change from green to purple - although you can change colors at your will. Paolini states that although Eragon's magic is blue, he could produce red fire if he wanted to. So far, however, Riders have chosen to use the automatic color - their dragon's color. Oromis uses gold magic, Murtagh's energy is ruby-red, and Eragon's is bright blue. [[Shruikan]] is black, although the dragon that actually chose Galbatorix might have been another color; the union between Galbatorix and Shruikan isn't a true dragon-Rider union, so Galbatorix's automatic color may still be that of his original dragon, though he may have chosen to change it after so many decades.
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THEN MAKE A PAGE CALLED SPECULATION FOR INHERITANCE BOOK 3! I have nothing to do without the speculation there! I'm bored to death!
;Concerning Isidar Mithrim, the Star Sapphire
*It has been suggested by unconfirmed sources allegedly "close to Paolini" that Eragon and Saphira will mend the star sapphire. This will give it the ability to hold massive amounts of magical energy, perhaps giving Eragon the strength to kill Galbatorix.
DR7 >.< Ah, perhaps the final battle between Eragon and Galbatorix will take place on the newly repaird sapphire and Eragon will draw power from the power it took to repair it in some way... and with that new power end the evil kings life and rule....DR7 >.<
*it could be his true name because i dont think brom ever told eragon what they meant, so it could be and he just doesnt know it and thats why he was able to lie to durza.


:'''NO''' article on Wikipedia can contain speculation, so we can't create a separate page for speculation. --<span class="user-sig user-Shreshth91">May the Force be with you! [[User:Shreshth91|Shr]][[User:Shreshth91/Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Shreshth91|shth91]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections/Vote|<sup><font color="green">(esperanza elections!)</font></sup>]]</span> 15:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


What about the before Harry Potter book 6 page (something like that)?! That's an artical without facts!
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;Concerning the words Brom told Eragon before he died
*The words may be the name of the [[ancient language]]
*The words COULD NOT be Eragon's true name, because after Brom's death, Eragon thinks to himself that he could not tell Durza his true name because he "Does not know it himself."
*It could have been his true name or at least part of them but he might not know because brom didnt tell him what the words were.
*The words may be Galbatorix's true name
*The words may be the spell that nearly destroyed life on Alagaësia once.
*The words may be the way to draw energy straight from light, fire, etc.
*The words may be Brom telling Eragon that he is his father. <If they where then why did Eragon believe Murtagh when he said that Eragons father was the leader of the forsworn? --[[User:82.5.75.13|82.5.75.13]] 21:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)>
*The words may be Brom's ressurection spell
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;Concerning the next Rider
*Both Eragon and Murtagh are the sons of Morzan, who was a powerful, albeit evil, Dragon Rider. Dragons chose to hatch for both the sons, and now they have both become Riders. It therefore makes sense if the third Rider for whom the last dragon will hatch will be the descendant of a Rider. The only old Dragon Riders we know are Galbatorix, Morzan, Vrael, Brom and Oromis, and apart from Morzan it is not known if any of the others had children. The last Rider may be an entirely new character, or a character that has already appeared in the first two books.
*The next Rider may be [[Arya Dröttningu]], and her dragon may become Saphira's mate. This may create the additional impetus necessary for Eragon and Arya to become romantically involved as well. Arya is also of royal blood and Angela predicted that Eragon would love someone of noble birth. However, this is thought unlikely because Arya has three times rejected Eragon's attempts to court her. Some argue that she will be chosen because her magic is green. However, the revelation made by Paolini in the March 2006 interview (over live chat) means that Arya may not necessarily become the next Rider just because her magic is green - another may be chosen, and their energy would then automatically give green magic. Proponents of the Arya theory also argue that she has green eyes, although the significance of this is debatable. Another reason why she may become the next Rider is that she is a complete Mary Sue.
*Roran is a likely candidate, as he shows leadership abilities and is the cousin of a Rider - this would make a family of Riders: Morzan, his sons Eragon and Murtagh, and their cousin Roran. It is likely that Nasuada, Murtagh, Eragon, Arya and Roran will be the main leaders in the war (apart from the reigning royals Islanzadi, Galbatorix, Orrin and Hrothgar's likely successor Orik), and it is therefore suitable that Roran's power is enhanced by a link to a dragon.


I didn't know about that and if i did i would try to delete it. But the fact is we voted, and the vote caused the speculation to be deleted. 5 people on neopets won't help you now. Besides, that harry potter page should be deleted. No speculation! ([[User:11987|11987]] 16:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC))
*The next rider could be roran because when he and eragon go to helgrind the egg might be there because Galby thought the Ra'zac could protect it better than anyone else. That would make it possible for roran to get the egg when they rescue Katrina. DR7 >.< Do you honestly think that Galbatorix would trust the third egg to them????? Come on....DR7 >.<
*The next Rider could be [[Nasuada]], as of the fact that she is leader of the Varden and a formidable force in her own right, and her dragon and Saphira may mate. This would also give her long life, which would make a sexuemotional relationship with [[Murtagh]]-- or even Eragon-- possible.
*Elva may become the next Rider, as she will obviously play a major role in "Empire" although we have yet to see what that role may be. She also has the mark of the dragons on her forehead, which could connect her to dragons in some special way.
*The next Rider may be Katrina. If Galbatorix moved the eggs for safety after Saphira's was taken, he may have entrusted them to the Ra'zac, his powerful and loyal servants, in Helgrind, an impenitrable fortress for all but those with wings. Murtagh may have been taken to the eggs or the eggs taken to him for testing when Thorn hatched. Katrina is also in Helgrind. It would be possible that she makes contact with the egg and it hatches for her. This would explain Eragon's 'Deathwatch' vision, the male and female boarding a boat, two dragons overhead, and a man crying out in anguish. If the man is Roran, it would make sense that he cries for the love that is being taken from him.
*The next Rider may be a female elf to keep the balance, as both Eragon and Murtagh are male humans.
*It is also possible the Vanir may be the next Rider since Eragon said that any of the elves, even Vanir, would make a better Rider than him.
*The next rider may be Eragon and Murtagh's brother/sister. (See below in "Other") If the second book is titled "Eldest", and we look at the proper mechanics of english, then there must be at least 3 siblings. Eldest is a superlative adjective and must refer to one out of a group of 3 or more. If there were only two brothers the author would use the comparative form, "Elder." Murtagh says that Zar'roc should have gone to Morzan's "Eldest son, not his youngest." This means that there are at least three children in the family, with Murtagh being the oldest and Eragon younger than Murtagh the next sibling may be older or younger than Eragon. So even though there has been no hinting that there is another sibling it is very likely that a third sibling will be the next rider. It might even be Nasuada herself because both her and Eragon's mother left them when they were young.
* If the new rider is Eragon and Murtagh's brother/sister then the chance is Galbatorix may persuade him/her to join forces with him
* It could be possible that this is Nasuada, whose mother died is the final rider, the quote of the Raven could also pertain to her all her mother is the same as Eragon's all three Eragon, Murtagh and Nasuada would be half-siblings and she could possibly be the final rider.
* The chances of Arya being the next rider are good. She is a female elf, which would create more of a balance among the riders. And it would ease some of the tensions between the elves and the varden because they feel as though elves are better suited to be riders so are a bit upset about two new human riders. As mentioned above it would take too much time for training a new rider, unless the new rider already has proper training, which Arya has, which would make her a perfect candidate. Arya is on the "good side" as is Eragon, therefore their dragons would be possible mates.


:The page was [[Prior speculation on Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]], and was nominated for AfD thrice, but not deleted. I'll nominate it for deletion.--<span class="user-sig user-Shreshth91">May the Force be with you! [[User:Shreshth91|Shr]][[User:Shreshth91/Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Shreshth91|shth91]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections/Vote|<sup><font color="green">(esperanza elections!)</font></sup>]]</span> 16:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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;Concerning the third dragon
*The green dragon egg contains a male, as confirmed by [[Murtagh]] in [[Eldest]]<ref>[[Christopher Paolini]]: ''[[Eldest]]'', pg 649, [[Alfred A. Knopf]], ISBN 037582670X</ref>
*The third dragon may mate with Saphira and produce another offspring.
*Murtagh might try to protect the Varden by giving them the third egg, thereby allowing the next Rider to be chosen from within the Varden's ranks.
*Christopher Paolini has confirmed that the third dragon will be green and will be featured on the cover on his next book (Jan. 2006). {{citeneeded}}


::[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prior speculation on Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince|Done]].--<span class="user-sig user-Shreshth91">May the Force be with you! [[User:Shreshth91|Shr]][[User:Shreshth91/Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Shreshth91|shth91]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections/Vote|<sup><font color="green">(esperanza elections!)</font></sup>]]</span> 17:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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;Concerning Eragon's new weapon
* Eragon's lost sword may be replaced by the weapon under the roots of the Menoa tree.
* The weapon under the Menoa Tree might be the original Eragon's sword. This sword may be set with sapphires. It may once have been Brom's sword before his Saphira's death. Brom obviously lost the sword at some point, because in Carvahall the only Rider sword he had belonged to Morzan.
*What if Solumbum, when he said 'roots', meant origin (which is a definition of root), and Eragon would have to go to one of the oldest elven families (possibly related to the person who sang herself into the menoa tree, whatever her name was) to get a sword (remember, someone said that if there were any remaining Rider swords, they would be protected by elven families). Maybe Brom's old sword? He lost it, remember?
*The Dwarfs and Elves may work together to make Eragon a new sword matching Saphira's scales.
*The Weapon might have been the "gift of dragons, Eragon's new guise in 'Eldest"
*Oromis might give Eragon Naegling (the gold sword the elves made ''him'') before he dies (it is not confirmed wheather Oromis & Glaedr die but it is possible).
*It is possible that since there are 2 swords other than Naegling. One of them could be blue and Eragon could inherit that sword. That sword could also be Brom's who could possibly be Eragon's relative (such as a grandfather).


It's been there for a while though...
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;Concerning the Quote of the Raven, Bladgen
* Interpreted to mean Eragon and Murtagh are indeed half-brothers
:''While two <Children> may share two <Parents>''
:''And one <Child> of two <Parents> is certainly one
:''One <Mother> might be <Mother to> two <Children of different Fathers>.
So this may mean that Eragon's Mother, after leaving Morzan, had a relationship with Brom and Eragon is Brom's son.'' Alternatively, it could refer to Eragon's own rationalization of his upbringing:


Its been nominated, and so far it seems like its going to be deleted.
"While two <sons> may share two <parents>
And one <parent> of two <parents> is certainly one,
One <role> might be <held by> two <people>".


Why did I mention it?!
This reflects how Eragon chose to think of Morzan only as his sire, whereas it was Garrow (Morzan's brother-in-law) who raised Eragon, fulfilling the social role of a father.


== Deal ==
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;Concerning the Vault of Souls
* The Vault of Souls was, according to Solembum, to be used by Eragon when he was in need of great power. We have yet to see how this is achieved. It could be similar to [[Aragorn]] (in [[The Return of the King]]), where he enters the "Paths of the Dead" and bind the souls to help him fight the forces of evil.
* Perhaps when Eragon yells his name into the vault of souls he will be able to contact Brom's spirit, and Brom will tell him the he is not Morzan's Son, but his own, thus empowering Eragon and relieving him of his dark lineage.
* Maybe a group of Dragons will re-emerge in Alagäesia from the Vault of Souls and join forces with the elves, dwarfs and humans in battle.
* We may see Vroengard, which could be the location of the Vault of Souls
*It is possible that Helgrind is also the Vault of Souls.
*Utgard Mountain may also be the location of the Vault of Souls.
*The Vault of Souls may be located at the gates of Doru Araeba
* The soul of Brom may somehow come and guide Eragon to the Vault of Souls, where he finds the soul of Eragon (the first rider) and therefore gains the power to defeat Galbatorix.
*Eragon finds the Vaults of Soul and finds the soul of Vrael, giving him enough power to destroy both Murtagh & Galbatorix.
*the vault of souls may be the weapon underneath the menoa tree ( Eragon could use a soul to learn new abilities giving him the ability to defeat Galbatorix)
*Murtagh may have used the vault of souls to get so much stronger.
*Eragon might consult the dead for advice, as Allanon does in [[The Sword of Shannara]].
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;Concerning the Rock of Kuthian
* The rock of Kuthian is the Vault of Souls because that's what Solembaum told Eragon.
* The Rock of Kuthian could have been an old name for Helgrind, before the Ra’zac lived there.
* The rock of Kuthian may be the rock Eragon used for scrying in ''Vision of Perfection''


Ok. We'll copy and paste the speculation onto here, and people can add stuff.
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;'''Concerning Eragon's dream in the chapter "Deathwatch"'''
* The two people going back on the ship 'Dragon Wing' towards Vroengard may be Eragon and Arya, and the person watching may be Roran or Murtagh.
* The two dragons circling in the chapter "Deathwatch" could be Saphira and Murtagh's dragon, Thorn. The third Green dragon could become Arya's. (See ''Regarding the next Rider'' above) Or it could be Shruikan, who was freed after Galbatorix died.
* The dream Eragon has in "Deathwatch" could be of him leaving the land Alagäesia forever as prophesized by Angela, with Saphira and the green dragon circling.
*Someone important could die in "Empire" thus explaining why the man on the beach in the chapter "Deathwatch" let out an 'aching cry'.
*As Eragon perceives that one of the veiled people in "Deathwatch" is a woman, it seems very likely that the next Rider will be female.
*The two people boarding the ship could be Roran & Katrina.


Onto the Talk Page? ([[User:11987|11987]] 16:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC))
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;Concerning Eragon's Romantic Life
* Eragon may marry Arya and become the next leader of the Riders. However, Angela prophesized that he would leave Alagäesia forever.
*In the first book (Eragon), the herbalist Angela talks of Brom's failed love. Perhaps Brom and Arya were in love but it was not to be. This would explain why Arya is so desperate to not have a relationship with Eragon because of past memories; however, it is suggested or hinted in the books that Arya misses her bodyguard Faolain more than any other. Having been among mortals for seventy of a hundred years, she has apparently fallen into the human habit of keeping pain semi-secret.
*Eragon can marry Nasuada since she is the ruler of the Varden and closer to Eragon's age.
*Katrina may become the last of the Dragon Riders, forcing Eragon to mate with her even as their dragons couple.
*Arya may discover that they are meant to be together, a possible reason being that she has been the egg courier for so long, hence dragon magic being unpredictable as it is, led to the dragon (Saphira) developing a link with her. Hence when Eragon became the dragon's (Saphira's) Rider he came to share in this connection with Arya.


Yes.
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;Concerning Eragon's becoming stronger
*Eragon could become as strong as Murtagh or stronger.
*Eragon finds the Vaults of Soul and find Vrael's soul expanding his power enormously.
*Eragon might unlock the Vault of Souls and attain Eragon's (the first Rider) soul, therefore giving him the power to kill Galbatorix.
*Eragon may meet and be taught by a surviving member of the "Grey Folk" race, who might be [[Nasuada]] because of her and her father's strange skin tone and body build(never explained by Paolini himself).
*I have to add, GREY folk. Nasuada is of a DARKER skin color. Hence, although Paolini never confirms the fact that Nasuada is not a Grey being, I think we can hypothesis that she is not, because she is such a different character. That would be too off the scheme of things, I think that if Eragon does meet some of the Grey Folk, they are going to be entirely new characters altogether.
*Eragon could learn to take energy and power from light, fire, and water. Oromis did not know how to do this, but said that one could get great power from these things.
*Eragon may be able to draw energy from enemies, such as Galbatorix's common soldiers. I don't see why he didn't before though, during the battle at the Burning Plains. He was capable of drawing power from living beings, and that would be a two and one situation, he would gain power and also kill the soldiers. Why hasn't he done this before?<Galbatorix's wizards were protecting them> <That was true when the battle began. However, Eragon managed to kill some of the enemy magic users and the soldiers that they were protecting with his stronger magic. He could have absorbed their energy, rather than simply killing them.>
*Eragon may meet one of/the last of the Grey Folk and learn more than with elves. He could learn how to get energy from non-living sources or learn the true name of magic.
*Eragon may use Brom's diamond tomb to store immense amounts of energy.
*Eragon's ability to pull magical energy from living creatures could be a source of great power for defeating Galbatorix.


I think that can be allowed. Just not on the article page. ([[User:11987|11987]] 16:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC))
;Concerning Galbatorix's continuous increase in power
*Oromis mentioned that he did know how Galbatorix continues to increase his power. He also said that it is possible to draw energy from light, fire, etc., although Master Oromis does not know how this is done. Galbatorix may be using this technique to empower himself.
*There have been references to moving and replicating one's identity (soul) into another person's body. It may be that Galbatorix has found a way to imprison the souls of those he kills, in the same way that sorcerers use spirits to gain power.


:That seems perfectly fair to everyone. Thanks 11987! [[User:Ck_lostsword|Ck l]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[User:Ck_lostsword|stsw]]<font color="green">[[WP:ESP|o]]</font>[[user:Ck_lostsword|rd]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Ck_lostsword|queta!]]</sup> 19:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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;Other
Great. :-)
*It is suggested that Morzan '''cannot''' be Eragon's father because during the trilogy Eragon is '''fifteen to sixteen''' years of age, while it is mentioned that Brom killed Morzan '''twenty''' years ago. Although it is never mentioned, most fans believe Murtagh to also be less than twenty, therefore Morzan cannot be his father either.
*Brom may be Eragon's father and Selena his mother. This would explain why she took the baby to Carvahall and why Brom was always looking out for Eragon. Brom also said that he knew Selena well enough to miss her when she left. Eragon's dragon (Saphira)is named the same as Brom's and also the same color.
*Brom may be Eragon's relative
*Surda may expand to fill the dying empire thus in a way Eragon "leaves" Alagaesia "forever"(the empire is the bordering kingdom, not Alagaesia!).
*Eragon may move to Surda or Vroengard or Du Weldenvarden, because these are separate from Alagaesia and would thus fulfill Angela's prophecy that he would leave Alagaesia forever.
* Also fulfilling the prophecy of Eragon leaving Alagaesia is possible having Arya take the throne as queen of Ellesmera for her mother. Then Eraogn and Arya having a relationship and him becoming king. They live together and they left Alagaesia.
*Roran and Eragon will go and slay the Ra'zaac to save Katrina and Sloan. Sloan will see Roran in another light and be happy with the marriage. Sloan will give Katrina back her inheritance.
*Roran may be the logical successor to Galbatorix (The King of Men), as he, Eragon and Murtagh may possess the "royal blood" that still flows in Palancar Valley. It is noted in ''Eragon'' how Eragon and Roran are different from the other people in Carvahall. This might be true, especially if they are descendants of King Palancar. Murtagh is similar to Eragon in many ways, and was brought up in the king's palace.
*If Murtagh is Eragon's only sibling then the title of book two would be "Elder", not "Eldest", according to the rules of grammar, elder means older of two, while eldest means older of at least three. This may mean that Eragon has another brother or sister, though Eldest may have been referring to the fact that Glaedr is the eldest to Shruikan and Saphira. Eldest may also mean Saphira is the eldest of the last three dragons. Even if the statement applies to the rules of perfect grammar, 'The eldest of the two' is sometimes used as a figure of speech.
*Galbatorix might capture Eragon and have him drugged. Galbatorix then might have force Eragon to join him the way he did with Murtagh - in the Ancient Language.
*Galbatorix may turn good again. (not plausable)
*The green dragon may belong to a enemy, but the dragon falls in love with Saphira.
*Eragon may force Galbatorix to free Murtagh and Thorn from his oaths.
*The name of the dragon who presided over the treaty with the Elves may be discovered.
*A wizards' duel may occur (perhaps between Eragon and Murtagh or Galbatorix). <this idea of a "duel" isnt very likely becuse the fighters would need to gain control over the others mind wich would more be a battle of minds rather than a Wizards duel because to attak the other with fire or by throwing objects would be a pointless waste of energy since the Wards protecting the fighters would prevent harm the only way one would win is to gain control of the others mind wich leaves his own mind exposed and mean the other could strike back and neither would risk this so the only way to win would be to burn the other users energy down until it kills them + if the two were evenly matched it would probably result in both their deaths because i will take about the same ammount of energy to block the attack as it does to throw it out they may do this while battering each other with swords at the same time but to just stand their and fight in such a way would seem rather pointless because it would be a two page repeat of ''"Eragon threw out a volley of fire wich stop short of Murtagh by about ten feet Murtagh fliched as the energy was lost but returned with his own volley of fire"''..ETC >
*Eragon and Az Sweldn Rak Anhuin will come to an agreement, which may involve either the clan or Eragon being banished from the Dwarf world.
*Murtagh may die for breaking an oath made to Galbatorix in the Ancient Language.
*[[Eragon (character)|Eragon]] and [[Roran]] may kill the [[Ra'zaac]], possibly assisted by [[Arya Dröttningu]].
*Orik may succeed Hrothgar.
*Eragon repairs the curse he mistakenly placed on Elva, and Saphira repairs the Star Rose of Tronjheim which was destroyed in the battle. The former may wait until later; Elva's burden might force her to become a Dragon Rider.
*King Orrin of Surda might be slain, as so far the leaders of two of the factions have died from one cause or another, and he might follow the pattern. Queen Islanzadi might be exempt from this chain of events however, as Islanzadi is not going into battle herself.
*King Orrin discovers gunpowder in his chemical experiments, giving the Varden primitive muskets and cannons for use in battle.
*If Galbatorix is defeated, Murtagh and Thorn may emerge from their forced allegiance to the king and return to the Varden.
*Murtagh may succeed Galbatorix and become the main enemy after Galbatorix is defeated by Eragon and the Last Rider.
*We may witness a double dragon duel between Saphira and the third dragon vs. Shruikan and Thorn.
*We should also see a lot more of Arya's earlier life and learn why she secludes herself and behaves in such a haughty manner. (Perhaps she was romantically involved with Fäolin, one of her escorts, who was killed by the Urgals under Durza's control when Arya was captured.)
*Eragon could possibly learn a spell that can release Shruikan from Galbatorix's black magic therefore allowing Eragon to overpower him.
*The village of Carvahall may establish a new village in Surda where their skills in farming, blacksmithing, herding, and carpentry will supply much needed resources to the Varden.<this is basicly confirmd in Eldest>
*Eragon may be Brom's son as their dragons are named the same and also the same colour. Murtagh would definitely be Morzan's son as their dragons are named the same and also the same colour.
*Eragon may succeed Hrothgar as he is a member of his Dwarf clan.
*Eragon has rightfull claims to most of the factions, As a member of Hrothgar's Dwarf clan, he could succeed as its ruler. He also is the sucessor to lead the Varden, (there have been hints that Narsuada might retire or die as leader), and if he defeats Galbatorix, he has a claim to the Empire (another idea is the royal blood from Palancar). The other claims, which are weaker, are over the Elves, as a rider, and over the Urgals, as he would be high up according to their system of battle-honour. This could mean Eragon gets pestered to rule over everything, and then leaves to escape this, or any other possibility.
*One idea is that someone important to Eragon dies, probably defending him (Arya/Murtagh), and then Eragon somehow gains access to Galbatorix's mind, and uses energy from Galbatorix to resurrect this person, killing Galbatorix at the same time. Another take would be Eragon resurrects the race of dragons using such a power, or rights another wrong somehow. (It is likely that the someone close to him who dies was Brom.)
*Murtagh and Nasuada could actually be in love and this love along with Murtaghs love for Eragon could cause him to go against his oaths, killing Galbatorix and almost dying himself. <M.E.- murtagh isnt going to do anything his true nature was revealed in the chapter "Eldest." > <it might b possible driven by compassion for Eragon his only closest living relative saves Eragon by taking a death blow for him alowing Eragon to finish Galbatorix>
*Vrael might be related to Eragon because when Islanzadi gave Eragon the title the Leader of the Riders, she said it was his inheritance. ( This is only because he is destined for that title because he may ((Depending on weather Saphira mates)) be the start of a new Dragon Race)
*Eragon could learn how to cure Oromis and Glaedr of their disabilities and Oromis' sickness.
*Joed may use the passage he and Brom used to steal Saphira's egg to steal the last green one.
*[[Angela]]'s prophecy of [[Eragon]] leaving [[Alagaesia]] may not come true. (Angela Claimes the Dragon Bones dont lie meaning Eragon WIL leave however this could mean tht Alagaesia ceases to exist when Galbatorix dies and the Elves and Surdans exapnd into Alagaesia)<Urbanninja3>
* I believe that when saphira AND Eragon heal the star sapphire it will enable the gem to hold vast amounts of power (could be a super weapon)(but its too big to carry Urbanninja3)(magic could carry it and its broken now he could fix it in a place of high convienence to use it) which will help them defeat the empire.XiXpurepawntageXiX my comment this dude needs to stop contradicting everyones work->
*How could Oromis be kept secret all these years if he was a dragon rider. Galbatorix would have to know. Unless he became a dragon rider after the fall, secretly finding a dragon egg.
(Oromis metions that the FORSWORN broke something within him he has to have been around before the fall and he could quite easily hide in Du Weldenvarden because the Elves have remined hidden here for so long without being botherd by Galbatorix) The possiblity that there were other eggs is also very unlikely becuse the Dragons would have know to give every egg to the elves during the war because it may have turned the tide of the battle)<Urbanninja3>


Oromis also tells Eraogn that he was there when galbatorix was being trained as a Rider, but he didnt train him personally. Also Oromis taught Morzan and Brom, so he had to be known before the fall. Why Galbatorix doesn't try to kill Oromis or get to him, I do not know. Unless he thinks he's dead. That would explain a lot.


:I've deleted all message sections that have nothing specifically to do with this article in an attempt to get the fancruft out and make this page easier to navigate. Though this section is really long and contains only speculation and message board type information, I am keeping it up here because it could be a useful aid for new editors to this page to take a look at known speculation and not add it in. Hopefully they can get the hint and add speculation they find to the list as well instead of immediately putting it into the article. --[[User:PIrish|pIrish]] 05:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


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Crystal Ball

I would say that this article differs from the Harry Potter articles for a number of reasons. This is filled with suggestions and ideas from fans, not with actual known facts about the next novel (see Prior speculation on Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.) However, I believe that this style of writing provides some valid ideas about the next book. The article requires editing for consistency and style, and I am prepared to continue doing this, but it requires a lot of work. I have added a clean-up template to bring in outside help. However, there is one section that I do not believe adds to the speculation: comparisons between Inheritance and Star Wars and LotR. I feel we should delete this. Others? Ck lostsword|queta! 17:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It does not improve the article in any way (that I can see). I say delete it. (11987 07:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Delete it and I will copy and paste it again and again until you are tired of deleting it.

Why do you want it up anyway? Whats so good about it that you feel inclined to do anyting to keep it up? (11987 08:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC))[reply]

It sometimes helps me on my speculation.

I wouldn't have come up with half of my ideas without it.

Yes, but we could find comparisons for almost every book, but we don't always have to note them. (11987 20:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Speculation Page

I just came up with a possible solution for all the speculation. Would it be possible to create a independent page for all the speculation/theories/original research/similarities and on this page just have all of the facts and statements made by the author. i would be happy to create a page and move all of the speculation to that page. Does anyone else agree/disagree with this plan? (11987 10:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]

We could create a sub-page of the article. However, a simple page move might be more effective. The only problem is, there would be very little left on this page. If we include a Known Facts section at the top of this page, perhaps including interviews with Paolini and other related text, whilst keeping the speculation at the bottom, I think it is fine as it is. The current article is conspicuously lacking in actual, citable fact. Another problem that I have seen is the lack of order and structure to the article: "Unconfirmed Rumours" and "Speculation" are in essence the same section. I therefore propose:
  1. A new section called Known Facts, which would include definite, citable information
  2. A replacement of the old sections with Speculation, preferably with all new additions at least mentioned on this talk page first
  3. A major revamp of the speculation section's content (I have already tried to start this), removing sections that repeat themselves, cleaning up, using subheadings, &c.
I am fully prepared to make most of these changes, and I'm sure that 11987 will be equally happy to help. Any comments? Ck lostsword|queta! 17:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is a great idea and would be happy to help with whatever I can. I can definetley start the Known Facts secion soon and then help the Speculation ssection. (11987 22:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]


Adding a edit block for Book III

Who here thinks that the administrators should block anonymous users and newly registered members from editing Book III due to the persistent adding of speculation?Arlika1507 11:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See above. Also uses of protection. Whilst it could be useful, it is very unlikely that this would happen. Sorry! Ck lostsword|queta!|Suggestions? 14:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well at least it can be said that this is the most standardized place of information for Book III on the net, thats a good thing.Arlika1507 17:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation

An anonymous user stated under the speculation heading that, "In order to kill Galbatorix, Eragon may need to kill himself." Due to a lack of any sort of reasoning for this statement, I've removed it. I don't quite understand where this concept came from and so I'm offering the decision to be open made. For the time being, I've removed it. Aznph8playa2 21:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

can we keep anything that doesnt have anything to do with the book out of here please. THAT INCLUDES THIS PAGE AND THE ONE AFTER AND BEFORE IT. thanks(64.252.114.56 00:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Deletion of speculation

I've deleted all speculation that is not related to anything confirmed by Paolini or verifiable sources. If I deleted anything that is legitimate in that fashion, please restore it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not some discussion board where opinions are stated loosely. Speculation belongs on the discussion board, and please keep it there. The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.198.239.81.

We have had this discussion repeatedly before, and I believe that the time has come to resolve it finally. We cannot have single users deleting and reverting the section. I feel that a straw poll of user opinions is necessary to provide an overall view of opinions on removing the speculations on this page. In the mean time, I have reinstated the speculation on the page; please do not remove until his discussion has been concluded (2 July 2006?). Ck lostsword|queta! 09:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 2nd sounds good for me. (11987 01:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Support deletion

  1. I have to support the deletion of speculation. There is way too much of it, and people keep adding more. The speculation does not improve the article, and it is all original research and SPECULATION. I believe it should be deleted. (11987 16:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]
  2. Delete all speculation as wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Or at the most, keep all speculation on this page.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 17:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Please delete most or all of it! For heaven's sake, it seems like every single possibility has been covered. I think the stuff that Paolini has confirmed should stay, but not much else. BTW, is there an Inheritance wiki? We could transfer the speculation there if people really want to keep it all someplace. — 75.4.98.151 02:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose deletion

  1. See above (Crystal Ball. I believe that much of this fan information provides valid ideas about what might happen in the next book. However, the information that is included must be carefully vetted for style and repetitions, and it would be preferable if most of the speculation were kept on this page, with only some very likely 'facts' on the main article. Ck lostsword|queta! 09:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Final result

Support Deletion - 3; Oppose Deletion - 1. I have deleted the speculation section. Thanks everyone - not a bad numbre of responses! Ck lostsword|queta! 12:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why can't we just get along?

Come on! Just keep the speculation there! It's not doing any harm. Here's an idea. Make a page called Inheritance 3rd Book Speculation! There's nothing wrong with that.

We've already discussed this. If you have a problem with it, you should blame yourself and everyone else who didn't vote for not voting. (11987 06:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I talked to people and they want the speculation to stay. 5 people to be exact on my neopets guild.

And 4 people voted. That's not a large enough sample.

I'm really sorry, but as wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and thus, speculation is not allowed. If you want to have speculation, you should do so on speculation forums, or at the most, on this page (the talk page). --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(esperanza elections!) 15:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

THEN MAKE A PAGE CALLED SPECULATION FOR INHERITANCE BOOK 3! I have nothing to do without the speculation there! I'm bored to death!

NO article on Wikipedia can contain speculation, so we can't create a separate page for speculation. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(esperanza elections!) 15:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about the before Harry Potter book 6 page (something like that)?! That's an artical without facts!

I didn't know about that and if i did i would try to delete it. But the fact is we voted, and the vote caused the speculation to be deleted. 5 people on neopets won't help you now. Besides, that harry potter page should be deleted. No speculation! (11987 16:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

The page was Prior speculation on Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, and was nominated for AfD thrice, but not deleted. I'll nominate it for deletion.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(esperanza elections!) 16:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(esperanza elections!) 17:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's been there for a while though...

Its been nominated, and so far it seems like its going to be deleted.

Why did I mention it?!

Deal

Ok. We'll copy and paste the speculation onto here, and people can add stuff.

Onto the Talk Page? (11987 16:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Yes.

I think that can be allowed. Just not on the article page. (11987 16:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

That seems perfectly fair to everyone. Thanks 11987! Ck lostsword|queta! 19:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great. :-)


Look...

-Roran could succed Orrin as King of Surda

DR7 >.< Why wouldn't he just succed Galbatorix?

We graciously allowed speculation to be allowed on the talk page, but if people keep adding speculaton to the main article, im gonna request it be protected. Which means people cant edit it. (11987 02:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

But that would mean all of the people that don't keep putting it onto the mail artical wouldn't be able to add things.

Yup, but we'll unprotect it to add REAL info. We made a deal, so people like you should keep it. (11987 23:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

So is it going to be protected or not? I vote for not.

I've got to say that protceting seems a bit excessive. However, there seems to be some case for semi-protecting, banning non-users from editing. I would agree to this, but not to full protection. Ck lostsword|queta! 16:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's not fair.

Im not saying were gonna ban it; this is a warning. speculation doesn't belong on the articles page. Please dont overreact. I mean, its not fair that people like you r going back on our deal, is it?(11987 23:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I never agreed to anything and since this page is open to so many people, you should not protect it or do anything that would not allow people to make additions or changes.

Look, dont spaz out. all i ask is that speculation be kept on this page like we voted on, but not the article page becuz speculation is not technically allowed on Wiki. Please, dont get worked up over nothing. Just a simple request. (11987 02:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Just keep it unprotected people!

There will not be any protection of the article, please see WP:PPOL#Uses for reasons. If a highly visible and vandalized article like 2006 FIFA World Cup was not protected except once or twice, why should this comparatively insignificant article be protected. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 15:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I dont really care, the problem hasn't persisted. Dont add speculation to the main article. That WAS the deal' dont even try to deny it. Kepp speculaton here. (11987 22:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

who put this as top-importance?

I did, and it obviously is; it's a book in the series the project is all about, for Christ's sake! An it receives a lot of speculation which needs to be cleared up, and replaced with proper verified info.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 14:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we decided to keep the speculation here, so people can put all of their crazy ideas without people taking them off...like my one theory about the piece of a green dragon egg that eragon stepped on.

Can We Call the Article "Empire?"

Hey I'm curious whether the title of the article can be changed to Empire. This seems to be the confirmed title of the book and the cover of the book says "Empire" (if that picture is legitimate). Just curious. Thanks, Demosthenes 1 14:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It used be called "Empire" (see Requested move above), but was changed because that's not official, its just fan speculation. That cover is just some fan's drawing, so I don't know why its on there. I'll remove it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Alright thanks. I felt like there was something fishy about that cover. Does anyone know when the author will announce the title? Because "Book 3 (Inheritance trilogy)" bugs the heck out of me. Demosthenes 1 01:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be up to Random House, Christopher said last December that he had a title but that they didn’t want him to release it at that time. My guess is that we will get it early 2008.Mixed5000 18:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing Status

Because of the regular problems with speculation being inserted to this article, I’ve done some work with the citations. I’ve improved and confirmed the ones I could, and marked other information as lacking a citation. Citations for the notes so marked should be provided, or they will be removed from the article.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For those that don't seem to understand how this works, two things: first, don't just add random things and think you can get away with it with a cite needed tag. Secondly, don't remove the {{fact}} tag unless you actually add a citation.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 04:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

release date

Does anyone out there have any clue when the book is scheduled to be released?

No. Christopher Paolini hasn't announced anything yet. When he does announce it, however, I'm going to speculate that it'll be on this page within half a second of him saying it. Demosthenes 1 01:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hear sometime this year (2007)

I believe the release date could be pretty spontaneous. I believe it could come out August 21, 2007. Why? Eragon came out on Tuesday, August 26, 2003. Eldest came out on Tuesday, August 23, 2005. The books were two years apart. The closest Tuesday to these books? August 21, 2007.... two years after Eldest.

I'd love that (sooner the better, far as I'm concerned) but I can't say I see it as likely, given the fairly low amount of released info we have as of now. Regardless, nothing should be placed in the article without an official announcement.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excerpt

There's an official excerpt of Book III in Eldest, D.E. Could somebody add that to the page? It would be really cool!

I Agree all of us who haven't got Eldest D.E. are kept in the dark about Book III chapter one59.100.208.174 14:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i think it was chapter three not one, and its a real cliffhanger.

what is Eldest D.E.???

its like delux edition or something like that. it has an excerpt of the third book in it, and a picture, but thats the only difference.

We can't include a copy of the excert on any of these pages. That material is copyrighted and protected by law. We cannot reproduce it without explicit permission from the author and I highly doubt any of us could get that. --pIrish talk, contribs 13:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The official website for the Inheritance Triology (www.alagaesia.com) now offers registered users a chance to read an excerpt from Book III.

Knopf has changed the title of Book 3 from Empire to an another title relating to the content of the book against Christopher Paolini wishes.

Is this a true fact or is this more BS?

No "BS" I know someone who works at Knopf and there was talk of an argument that Paolini didn't want the title changed from Empire but Knopf said the title doesn't relate to the book, But then again thats what he says.

Sorry. "I know someone" isn't a reliable source.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a JOKE!! 59.100.174.24 11:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The sequal to eldest... when will this be coming out and what shall it be called?

EMPIRE!!!

Someone's giving a name for Book 3 without any sources... again

Ericaya

I removed it once agin this morning.

It first appeared yesterday in the Inheritance template instead of "Book III", so I reverted it. It happened again, only this time someone had copied the contents of Book 3 (Inheritance trilogy) and stuck it in its own article. I reverted the edits on the template, but Ericaya is sitting there. Fortunately nothing links there now. UnaLaguna 05:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've redirected that page to this one and nominated it for speedy deletion. --pIrish talk, contribs 12:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Stupid Picture

(Unrelated note: I'm not going to read this book, I just came across it while looking for interesting articles to hone my editing skills with) Okay. That picture, which looks like some cheap piece of clipart lameness, doesn't look...professional, for lack of a better word. Since there is no cover at the moment, no cover image is needed in the article...I think. I'm new, so if anyone has a problem with it, then just revert my edit; I won't mind. However, at least make sure that you have a good reason to keep it there. If you think that that picture helps inform the readers of this article, then go ahead and keep it there. Dread Pirate Felix 01:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Possible ideas as to the future of this article

You guys might take a look at Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows for ideas as to how to organize this page, and what kinds of information to include. It's another major upcoming book, and highly anticipated, it might help you know where to go from here. Tuvas 16:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


    • ive noticed that like half the stuff on this page has absolutely nothing to do with the book, and ive also noticed that a lot of the stuff that had to do with the book got deleted. i was wondering if someone would like to delete all those sections that are of no relation to the books, or ill do it. i just wanted to put this idea out there. but i wont touch anything if someones gonna get really pissed, but all of that stuff about like support deletion and all that other crap is pointless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.113.58 (talk • contribs)


i agree. i was looking through it and the first like seven sections have nothing to do with the book and are a complete waste in my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.113.58 (talk • contribs)

Please do not agree with your own message through two different edits in an attempt to make it look like you are gaining consensus. Or don't ask your friend to do it for you (read: canvassing). This is rather sneaky and it undermines the system.
As for your actual message. I'm not even sure what you're talking about. Clearly this page is about the third book in the Inheritance Trilogy and it contains information only about this book. If you could clarify exactly where you believe the information is going off on a tangent, please point them out to me. The only stuff that gets deleted are edits that are included without being cited (IE: original research and speculation). --pIrish Arr! 20:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

kay i wrote the first thing and i didnt agree with myself cuz im not some idiot that has conversations with myself and i didnt ask anyone to do it for me, so dont try and get all smart with me and pretend that you know everything cuz you dont.

the book is supposed to be called empire and that does fit by beign six letters and starting with an e but he could possibly change it sometime in the future also i think that the third rider will be female and almost certainly if not definantly related to eragon and murtgauh( i did not spell that right)66.25.134.251 23:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All those points you mentioned are speculation. Until you can find sources which confirm them none of those points can go into the article. UnaLaguna 05:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from Glaedr(Inheritance Trilogy)

Apart from the incorrect formatting of the title (there's meant to be a space), no sources were provided. So, I reverted it all back, which took at least twenty minutes of blood and sweat. This is at least the second time something like this has happened (previously with "Fricaya") and it annoys me to hell that I have to spend time reverting this rather than furthering Wikipedia in more useful ways. UnaLaguna 07:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Release Date?

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has an approximate date on when Book III will be available. Thank you. ~Megan R.

No date has yet been announced as far as I know. MelicansMatkin 19:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No release date, heck the title has not even been released. Random House said it would be out sometime in 2008. So I wouldn’t be surprised if we see it next summer maybe in July or August.Mixed5000 18:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Book 3's Cover

I'm probably wrong who knows but I don't think that the Thrid Book's cover is going to have a green dragon. My friend Becky showed me a picture of the next cover and it had Oromis' dragon (forget it's name XD) on the cover. She could have gotten wrong information but is it possible Paloini changed his mind on the cover? --KibaxHinata13 01:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How does this relate to the article? We're still not going to put up a cover until we can see the official one, rather than some fan's attempt. UnaLaguna 05:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The "cover" with Oromis' dragon (Glaedr) isn't an actual cover at all: its just a bonus thing from the deluxe edition of Eldest.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't it for the one foreign edition that needed 2 volumes? 24.229.191.54 11:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there even a speculation section on the talk page?

The point I'm making is that you come to wikipedia to see facts that have been confirmed by the author or other realable sources. If you want to discuss what could happen in the next book, go to a forum of that book to talk about it. For example, if you want to talk about what might happen in the new Harry Potter book (which seems pointless at this stage as it is only 11 days away), you go to the mugglenet forums or something similar. A talk page is ment to be for discussing how to improve an artical, not for this sort of thing.Wild ste 15:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very true - I've removed it per Wikipedia is not a forum. ck lostsword•T•C 16:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, didn't think anyone would actually listen to me.Wild ste 17:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Someone added "He has sex with angleica". I've removed it.

book 3's cover

Ormis's dragon is named glaedr. I think it might be a green dragon on the front. it might even be saphira's mother!(wild gues) or it could be the other dragon egg!! it also might be an other dragon. brom's dragon definitely died right? eargon21

Yes, unfortunately. Brom is dead, so his dragon can no longer live. Even if she had survived the Fall, she would be gone now that Brom is. A dragon cannot survive without its rider.

Sophiakorichi 03:21, 4 August 2007

wow...

So there's no way we can block the stupid vandalism that constantly shows up on this page? ~ User: Sophiakorichi

There's not really enough real vandalism to warrantprotection or anything. Most of the bad edits seem to be from people who just don't understand sourcing requierments and so forth, and its easy enough to revert.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, true enough. Its just so annoying! Sophiakorichi 03:21, 4 August 2007

So... it IS called Empire and the release date IS 28th March 2008?

I reverted an edit which changed the title from Book 3 to Empire... and judging by content I didn't read, it looks like we may have to make these changes.

I have no idea how reliable http://www.awesomefantasybooks.com/ is, but if what they're saying is true then we've got a lot of find-and-replacing to do. Before I commit myself, can someone confirm the reliability of the source? UnaLaguna 09:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd wait for some other confirmation...I can't find this anywhere else, and that includes official sites. It may be true, but it doesn't seem (to me, at least) to be enough to go with by itself.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree, there isn't any other record of the letter that I can find. If Paolini revealed it in a personal letter, you would think that it would also be in the alagaesia.com newsletter, which I do not believe it is. I think we should wait to rename the article and post a date until it is varafied on the official site. Or at least on eragon.com. Sophiakorichi 19:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)Sophiakorichi[reply]

You mean alagaesia.com, right? --Essence 01:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sure a lot of fans write to Christopher asking about the title and release date. If this is true why did the site not just post a scan of this letter? Why wouldn’t CP just post this in one of his newsletter, he’d have to think that if he gave this information to someone in a letter that it would find its way online.Mixed5000 20:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

im fine w/ waiting for the 3rd book, but it would be nice if Paolini gave a release date to his fans as a courtesy and to let us know he working on it 9-5-07

Menoa Tree weapon

It says in the article that Eragon has yet to get the weapon under the Menoa Tree. But was the weapon that transformation he went through?--74.230.88.184 19:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. Read the interview the section is sourced to and you'll see the author has said that he is yet to receive it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am a book seller for a large company and am asked alot as to when the 3rd book will be released and of course its title most authors ive dealt with usually have there follow on titles decided by this stage which seems strange to me that theres no release date or name for this so-called book has it even been started yet.

lucy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.166.177 (talk) 18:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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