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User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

The Rambling Man (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The_Rambling_Man#The_Rambling_Man_prohibited: "The Rambling Man is prohibited from posting speculation about the motivations of editors or reflections on their competence.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

There's three distinct edits in the last hour that violate TRM's restriction. I'm supplying the full sequence of edits for the sake of context:

1. Drmies prunes some content from the article Neil Warnock [16].
2. The Rambling Man reverts Drmies [17], with the summary including the phrase "perhaps avoid editing things you know absolutely nothing about in the future", which itself is a violation of the restriction, as it is a reflection on Drmies's competence
3. Drmies posts to TRM's talk page [18].
4. TRM responds [19].
5. Drmies replies [20]
6. TRM responds a second time [21], a response which includes the comment "Get over it, you're wrong, and you're one of those who will never know how to fix it", alongside other incivility.
7. I see this stuff on TRM's talk page, click on the edit, find that it's both redundant and a borderline BLP vio, and revert TRM [22].
8. I post a comment to TRM's talk [23], edit-conflicting with TRM's reply above, mentioning the fact that the quote he is reverting into the article was already present in a different section.
9. TRM reverts for a third time [24] (there's a revert of an IP in between those of Drmies and me), and uses an edit-summary that is a speculation about my motivation if there ever was one.
10. TRM replies on his talk page, challenging me to file an arbitration request [25].
11. As I type this, TRM challenges me again, despite my not having made any edits in the interim [26].

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Several, visible here and at Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions.

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• Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.
• Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

All I want is for him to stop yelling at other folks this way; the weeks since ARCA were blissfully friction-free, and I don't know why TRM felt the need to be rude today. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:34, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Alex Shih: Are you saying these diffs do not constitute violations, or are you saying they do, but a block isn't required? If it's the former, I think we may have to go back to ARCA, because I find it difficult to come up with language that would be a clearer violation of this sanction, which suggests the sanction is unworkable. If it's the latter, I actually have no problem with that; contrary to TRM's beliefs, I'm not desperate to have him blocked, I would just like someone besides me to tell him that that sort of commentary is a violation of the sanction, and that he shouldn't say stuff like that again. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:24, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• @Alex Shih: If TRM recognized that the edit summaries and the commentary that followed on his talk page were inappropriately personal, I'd withdraw this myself. Given that he felt the need to revert me despite knowing the content was unnecessary (I don't think there's anyone here who thinks the same quote should have been pasted into the article twice), I not optimistic about that happening. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:47, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• @Alex Shih: I do think the most recent amendment makes a difference here; not so much to the need for a block as for a need to acknowledge that this behavior was over the line: without such a recognition, we're asking for this sanction to be ignored. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• If this isn't where we draw the line, @Alex Shih and Alex:, what is? Are you saying that because no matter what he does a couple of folks will always insist he has done no wrong, we should ignore his ARBCOM restrictions completely? That does seem to be something for ARCA, much as I hate to go there. Vanamonde (Talk) 06:15, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Unclear as to why this has to go to Arbcom, demonstrates a serious lack of ability of the posting admin to go through standard approaches to content dispute and a really savage need to get me blocked. Tragic. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:40, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could I also see clear diffs where I have "post[ed] speculation about the motivations of editors or reflections on their competence." please? The Rambling Man (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(It's just a side issue, but the section that Drmies unilaterally deleted has been prominently discussed on UK radio, that Neil Warnock article was subject to plenty of exposure and debate, and most of what was there was already well sourced, including the well-covered Brexit issue that this "edit war" was about too.) The Rambling Man (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I find TRM's statement puzzling. "Unclear as to why this has to go to Arbcom": Vanamonde already presented TRM's express directive to take it to ArbCom: [27], [28]. "Could I also see clear diffs where I have "post[ed] speculation about the motivations of editors or reflections on their competence." please?": Vanamonde already posted that: [29].

As for myself, it looks to me like Vanamonde's case is pretty cut-and-dried and airtight. Softlavender (talk) 01:06, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Alex Shih: It sounds to me like you are trying to explain away what are clearly multiple violations of TRM's sanctions. There are no conditions on the very clear and specifically worded sanction, and you are trying to insert conditions, exceptions, and exemptions into it that do not exist. If you want there to be conditions, exceptions, and exemptions in the sanction, I suggest you file at WP:ARCA. -- Softlavender (talk) 03:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think TRM was responding to the edit summary "How is that a controversy? also, who cares" (highlighted for emphasis), which really isn't constructive in the first place. In the subsequent edit summary, TRM did explain their revert as "was hugely covered in UK press, and something which is relevant and something our readers would expect to see" before making the first "speculation" that is in question here. It doesn't appear neither editor realise the quote was already in the article? So this just feels like a misunderstanding, and I'd think the sensible thing would be for that to be acknowledged and move on. Yes TRM was rude, but not as irrationally as one would expect. In contrast I find Drmies's first post to TRM's talk page a perfect example of borderline baiting ("...big guy. Be proud"), and I cannot really see any disciplinary action being taken here. The purpose of the restriction should be to prevent TRM from being incessantly hostile and combative, and by that standard this entire ordeal was rather mild in my opinion. Alex Shih (talk) 02:17, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanamonde93: I would say it's the latter. The comments especially the subsequent ones are violations per se, but the same sort of violation that have been declined on every occasion in the past for not being a violation on the spirit of the restriction, I think. I wouldn't look at the subsequent responses because they are arguably provoked responses; TRM shouldn't make personal commentaries but no one should be making personal commentaries against them as well. Focusing on the initial comment alone, could The Rambling Man just acknowledge that it would have been far more helpful to just focus on the issue itself (seems to be about unproductive edit summaries and unilateral deletions based on personal opinion) instead of commenting about what people know or don't know; not only because it's not nice, but unnecessary because by explaining their revert like they have done, the point was delivered across already. Alex Shih (talk) 03:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Softlavender: That is precisely not what I am doing, and looking at Vanamonde's response to my comments would reveal just as so. The potential ARCA you are suggesting has already been filed and discussed extensively ([30]), in which you have participated. Regardless of the latest amendment, the subjective nature of this restriction would mean that similar to previous enforcement requests, this kind of request would simply end up being yet another "yes/maybe/no violation, block not required". Alex Shih (talk) 05:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanamonde93: I disagree on that the most recent amendment made a difference, but agree on that some sort of recognition on where to draw the line is needed. I just don't think this is one of them for reasons I have stated. Even the latest comment not included your diffs ([31]), in which I think is the most problematic of all and probably should be block worthy, has many ways in which "no violation" can be argued. I do think TRM has been deliberately pointy with the restriction, so moving forward that should be where discussions needs to be based on. Alex Shih (talk) 05:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• This whole back-and-forth could've been handled better by both parties and I don't think this was particularly helpful either. That said, I'm of the opinion this edit summary does constitute a violation of the imposed sanction. Moreover, I'm troubled that TRM doesn't seem to acknowledge what they said was, at bottom, uncivil and unproductive. Were there not a specific sanction to stem this kind of behavior, I'd probably close this with a warning and leave this be since there's a part of me thinking this is overblown; but seeing as this is not the first time, I'd support a short block up to the 48 hours allowed under the terms of the December amendment. This temptation to spat with others over trivial content disputes needs to stop. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 06:53, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• It's pretty clear to me that this violates the restriction. Even in their short response here, The Rambling Man manages to violate the restriction again: "a serious lack of ability of the posting admin" is a reflection on their competence, and "a really savage need to get me blocked" is a speculation about their motives. And it's continuing on their talk page ("[the user] is unable to deal with the regular edit conflicts ...", "a tragic inability to cope with the real world"). This cannot be anything but an intentional violation of their restriction. It is quite possible to resolve content disputes without calling into question the personal qualities of others. I question whether a 48 hour block would accomplish anything or whether we need to return this to ARCA. Sandstein 08:01, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Kautilya3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 00:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Goosemuffin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBIPA :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 6 September 2018 Personal attack
2. 8 September 2018 Personal attack
3. 8 September 2018 offensive ethnic rant
4. 30 January 2019 personal attack, dark conspiracy allegations

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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• Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 10 September 2018

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I think the diffs speak for themselves. It seems that the editor is unable to deal with "Hindus" in general, or anybody that has different views from himself. He has been told politely, by third party editors to avoid personal attacks. His posts have been modified by deleting blatantly offensive bits and even reverted. He has received a user warning and a DS alert. Yet he is back here today with the same kind of attacks. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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• Waiting on Goosemuffin to reply, but if nothing very convincing is forthcoming, I think an indefinite block (as a normal admin action) is the appropriate response. Sandstein 14:54, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement

NewsAndEventsGuy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:14, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Boundarylayer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change#Battlefield_editing :

Although the subject matter in the three diffs I provided all relate to nuclear power and renewable energy, that is part of the broad subject of climate change because (A) it is by definition part of climate change mitigation and (B) Boundarylayer himself said as much in a 2012 table-pounding, "As an environmentalist, I'm incredulous that you seem to think that the building of a gas power plant over a Nuclear plant, is a victory for you? Yet you are aware that Global Warming is also caused by gas… even before this reactor was cancelled,(and dashed the potential of the reactor to save millions of tons of CO2 being emitted) the IPCC already expected us to overshoot the 2 degree Kelvin of warming limit it has set, because we are increasingly using more and more fossil fuels, and this will result in the evacuation of millions of people….. I echo the opinion of the International Energy Agency, that the use of both Nuclear power & Renewables is necessary" [33]

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. Jan 31 2019 BATTLEFIELD EDITING in vio of civility policy at WP:ESDONTS; Here BL names another editor in an edit sum for purpose of attack using words "disregarding", "undermining", "pushing their own favorite fringe primary sources", and doing "fantasy-engagement". Even if these were true, there is a civil way to deal with such problems and duking it out in Edit sums is not one of them.
2. January 23, 2019 Battlefield editing.... names me an "ideological" editor; deletes my housekeeping note which I added per WP:MULTI to keep the discussions at different venues organized. The section heading where this takes place is also his creation, where I'm implicitly labeled a "quack editor"
3. January 10, 2019 Tendentious/CIR.... after BL reverted a revert without any discussion, I tried to explain that 3RR is not what makes an edit war but the first un-discussed re-revert is an opening salvo in an EW. I was trying to be helpful. In response he ran me down with ...Really? It's a first salvo...In a what now? lol How can you even write such nonsense without suffering a case of severe cognitive dissonance? It's good comedy man, keep it up. Especially with this, your penchant for coming onto my talk page drumming up all these fake accusations....

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Boundarylayer does have a topic ban for pregnancy/abortion and various blocks. Since I'm only asking for a formal warning in the nuclear & energy topics I'm not going into the details of that prior history at this time.

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• DS alert for Climate change given Jan 9; Although the venues in question are on pages titularly related to nuclear power, this is broadly related to Climate change mitigation as Boundarylayer himself has said (see prior sections above)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

• Boundarylayer does not accept advice from mere editors so at this time I am formally asking for a word of caution from an admin.
• @Sandstein: Thank you for commenting! I respectfully ask you to reconsider. The International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has a whole working group on prevention. Key to this work is deciding what technologies can move the ball forward, and a critical element of that policy debate is Energy return on energy invested. Amory Lovins has staked out a position on this issue (anti nuke, pro renewable). Finally, in case you overlooked the quote from Boundarylayer he himself links these topics. I'm not asking for a sanction. I'm asking for a warning, after which if problems continue I'll probably seek community sanctions. If you push this off to DR (without a warning) then the likely result is more of the same battle attitude which usually makes reasoned discussion impossible. With a warning - include one for me if you like - the chances of DR success increase, and if necessary its easier for admins to see which ed has the problem. Incidentally we have tried RFCs. The result is usually walls of text and low participation. My goal is attract level headed collaborative minded eds. For all these reasons, I think it (A) is climate change broadyly construed and (B) in the interests of prevention not punishment marking a time with an admin warning will help down the road. Thanks for reading and at least giving a moments thought to reconsidertion even if you don't change your mind. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• If admins are convinced the nuclear vs renewable debate is beyond scope of WP:ARBCC, then even though this is technically AE, do you think you could give him/me/us a civility and collaboration warning anyway, just not under ARBCC? I'm not testing the scope of the ruling here, just trying to prevent future problems or lay a benchmark in time to show warnings had no effect, which happens first. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This desire to drum up apocalyptic notions of attacks and battlefields, is simply part of the ongoing WP:STALK conduct of news and event guy which they have truly disturbingly engaged themselves in, these past weeks. As they curiously like to to invent scenarios that demonstrably did not take place and by doing so, generate these groundless and laughable vexatious complaints for cautions and other spurious nonsense.

Let's take their attempted inversions, one by one. Here the WP:HOUNDing has involved the putting in block capitals to prime the arbitration viewers, into seeing what is to follow as MORTAL COMBAT, COMMENCE FIGHT. Well if it's in blocks, who can argue with that. lol. Yet actually it's just a re-iteration of what I wrote on the talk page, that thomas, the other editor needs to come back with secondary sources, that's how wikipedia works and they are indeed "disregarding" and "undermining" wikipedia policy by blanking an article and similarly engaging in absolute fantasy building by declaring consensus has formed, when in actual reality, no such consensus exists. That's you can all agree, the very definition, of what it is, to engage in fantasy. I would hope you'd agree?

Here BL names another editor...for purpose of attack.For the purposes of attack? Really? Here guy is really seen in full, as attempting to fantasize events and motivations and cast those aspersions onto another editor, they are hounding? One truly wonders?

1. Jan 31 2019 BATTLEFIELD EDITING in vio of civility policy at WP:ESDONTS; Here BL names another editor in an edit sum for purpose of attack using words "disregarding", "undermining", "pushing their own favorite fringe primary sources", and doing "fantasy-engagement". Even if these were true, there is a civil way to deal with such problems and duking it out in Edit sums is not one of them. ]

On the place point there again. Myself and Thomas are actually discussing on the talk page, not your fantasy notion of 'duking it out in the Edit sums' that you just concocted. One misrepresentaion from guy after another, could it be, for the purposes of WP:HOUNDing?

Next, this is really where the weird WP:STALK campaign reaches some disturbing levels. As you can see, guy clearly came onto an article talk page, simply because I was there and then once he was there, with the most astounding case of motivated reasoning, guy personally decided toread-into what I wrote and continues to this very day, to believe, I was talking about him. Yet guy is neither mentioned, again contrary to what they just claimed. Nor is he the editor on that article, to whom I was referring. So can you tell us guy, what is your explanation for thinking this is about you? As you are neither named as you have disturbingly claimed here nor ar you implicitly labeled. - Whatever that means.

Yet Mr. guy again has framed it, as apparent MORTAL COMBAT, where I'm in his fantasy, naming him. Neither of which are anything close to reality, nor are they even plausible. Guy has never explained why he insists with this fantasy of theirs and it's truly a little troublingly, at this stage, as you can imagine.

1. January 23, 2019 Battlefield editing.... names me an "ideological" editor; deletes my housekeeping note which I added per WP:MULTI to keep the discussions at different venues organized. The section heading where this takes place is also his creation, where I'm implicitly labeled a "quack editor"]

Claming people 'named you' and you were implicitly labeled a "quack editor", when you're in actuality [A]Not even an editor on the article you followed me to, and [B] in the real world, clearly not named, or even mentioned in passing by me there, at all. So can you explain to us, why you think, or really, why you want to build the fantasy, that this was me, talking about you?

I'm genuinely getting worred about you man. While coming onto my talk page continuously with all this demonstrably fantastical stuff man, was actually good comedy, at one point. I'm taking this I want him to be punished arbitration, as the epitome of WP:HOUNDing.

1. January 10, 2019 Tendentious/CIR.... after BL reverted a revert without any discussion, I tried to explain that 3RR is not what makes an edit war but the first un-discussed re-revert is an opening salvo in an EW. I was trying to be helpful. In response he ran me down with ...Really? It's a first salvo...In a what now? lol How can you even write such nonsense without suffering a case of severe cognitive dissonance? It's good comedy man, keep it up. Especially with this, your penchant for coming onto my talk page drumming up all these fake accusations....

Boundarylayer (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am engaged in the dispute with BoundaryLayer in the EROI article.

BoundaryLayer's conduct is frequently odd, in my opinion.

For example, I provided three meta-analyses from notable researchers, which summed up data from 250+ scientific articles on a topic. BoundaryLayer insisted that the 250+ studies are written by paid solar power advocates as part of a grand swindle: "Pumping out reams of papers ostensibly to grease the wheels on the swindle train?... With their fantasy-world-building statistical tricks?"

At the same time, BoundaryLayer suggests that the meta-anaylsis, dervied from many independent studies, was produced in a collective marijuana-induced haze: "The only nonsense here is believing that solar PV is whatever solar advocates say it is. Tomorrow if EROI is declared a zillion... You don't have to build anything man, the energy just flows, pass me a joint yo."

Please note that the EROI for solar PV in the meta-analysis was 14.4, which is totally unremarkable and moderately lower than other sources of energy. It was not "declared a zillion" by people who were passing marijuana joints amongst themselves as part of a swindle train, nor was there any risk of that happening.

BoundaryLayer appears to have a hysterical or histrionic debating style, including odd, fabricated personal accusations against researchers in the field. Often, BoundaryLayer posts odd, emotional accusations against the other editors of wikipeida. Much of what he writes consists of odd personal remarks. Sometimes he writes mildly insulting remarks toward the other editors ("Are you trying out to be a comedian next?" and so on).

However, I'm not sure if it warrants disciplinary action. He's not horribly insulting or vicious. I think it might warrant a comment or remark from an admin, but nothing more serious than that. I doubt that any remark to him will have any effect anyway, since this appears to be an established behavior.

Thomas pow s (talk) 20:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As an example, BoundaryLayer just posted a remark that I have a "truly revealing level of fantasy-engagement". That is a comment about an EDITOR, not the topic. It's that kind of thing, which is happening all the time. That said, he posts nothing horribly insulting or vicious.

Thomas pow s (talk) 20:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• This is out of the scope of discretionary sanctions, in my view. While there are certainly aspects of nuclear energy that relate to climate change, the edits and pages at issue here do not. I would therefore take no action and refer the parties to WP:DR. Sandstein 19:46, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions : breach of WP:NPA, WP:ASPERSIONS, WP:V - falsely accusing WP:BLPs of a possible war crime, WP:CIVIL, WP:BATTLEGROUND, WP:HARASS

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 15:25, 31 January 2019: WP:NPA, WP:ASPERSIONS - "Your past accounts have the same habit of lying about what a person said. I wrote that certain editors have a history of extremely Zionist and anti-Palestinian editing. Please dont continue that habit of lying..."
2. 19:35, 29 January 2019: WP:NPA, WP:ASPERSIONS - "I am saying is that you, and for that matter Shrike, E.M.Gregory and Icewhiz, all have a history of editing on one end of a POV spectrum. Extremely pro-Zionist and anti-Palestinian..."
3. 18:39, 29 January 2019: WP:NPA, WP:ASPERSIONS "Now this may be impolite to say, but the number of users with a history of extremely Zionist and anti-Palestinian editing..."
4. 22:20, 29 January 2019: WP:ASPERSIONS - "If she were Jewish there is zero chance you would be arguing .... Literally zero chance"
5. 21:02, 29 January 2019: WP:ASPERSIONS - "Yes, of course, E.M.Gregory, serial author of Palestinians as terrorists articles, he knows more..."
6. 20:23, 29 January 2019: WP:ASPERSIONS -"This is only a problem for editors who, we all know this to be true, are very much on one side of the POV spectrum"
7. 18:25, 29 January 2019: WP:CIVIL - "What the fuck does ..."
8. 16:41, 27 January 2019: WP:ASPERSIONS - "Ive seen a destructive attempt in which an editor excised material not to their personal liking, but no I have not seen any constructive edits reverted"
9. 00:54, 26 January 2019: WP:ASPERSIONS - "Icewhiz did not spin anything off. He chopped off parts that he would rather not be covered on Wikipedia"
10. 06:35, 22 January 2019: WP:NPA, WP:ASPERSIONS - "You are allowing some of the most extreme pro-Israel/anti-Palestinian editors on Wikipedia ... But because the more extreme pro-Israel editors dislike this article it isnt NPOV?"
11. 21:36, 27 January 2019: WP:ASPERSIONS,WP:BATTLEGROUND, WP:HARASS - warning a user who hasn't edited in 4 years and did nothing wrong (edited prior to WP:ARBPIA3).
12. 01:22, 22 January 2019: WP:ASPERSIONS - "You are very purposely reducing exposure of a topic and doing so based purely on facile claims of POV"
13. 18:32, 29 January 2019: changing civilians to settlers - which doesn't pass WP:V and is a BLP vio vs. the surviving widow and small orphans who lived in El'ad which is not a settlement. Nableezy is aware of the potential illegality of settlements ("war crime" - 22:38, 9 January 2019) - by calling the non-settler civilians settlers, Wikipedia was making a a false accusation of possible war crimes towards the BLP widow and orphans (as well as one of the deceased).
14. 17:15, 19 January 2019: WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA (mocking English level) - "Your English on ANI was much improved as opposed to your ....". Note this is related to ARBPIA since Shrike and Nableezy are both active in ARBPIA (see diff2) and since the AN report in question also included several diffs on editing in ARBPIA and mentioned ARBPIA specifically.
15. 17:49, 22 January 2019: WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA (mocking English level), WP:HARASS as posted after Shrike reverted his prior request.
16. 18:16, 23 January 2019 - WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA (mocking English level), WP:HARASS as posted after Shrike explicitly hatted the section and said he wasn't going to answer these pestering posts.
17. 21:51, 4 January 2019: WP:ASPERSIONS, WP:NPA - "Will talk more, with this or the next sock"

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 08:23, 4 January 2012 - TBAN 6 months.
2. 10 May 2011 - TBAN 2 months
3. 4 December 2010 - TBAN 4 months
4. 16 April 2010 - TABN 2 months.

(While these are old, XTools shows that Nableezy significantly curtailed his editing after the 2012 TBAN).

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

1. AE precedent - Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive218#Debresser - an editor was TBANed for 2 months for saying once(!) - "but only if there would be some more input from editors who are not necessarily in the anti-Jewish/Israeli camp". Nableezy, 04:18, 16 July 2017, saw this as " baseless personal attack" and called for banning. TBAN was upheld on appeal: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive218#Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Debresser. The repetitive labeling in the diffs above are far more egregious.
2. AE precedent2 - Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive245#AmYisroelChai - indef TBAN from AP2 for politicizing disputes (in a less egregious manner than above).
3. Was told here that "comment violates Wikipedia policies" and it was suggested to retract. Replied "Nah." Then attacked editor for previous violations.
4. Was warned here WP:CIVIL, here, here, and here WP:ASPERSIONS, yet continued today 15:25, 31 January 2019
5. Calling someone "extremely anti-Palestinian" is quite offensive and implies ethnic hatred by the labelled editor.
6. Please note Nableezy's userpage where he says he supports "the right of all individuals and groups to violently resist" but "due to an alleged consensus he is disallowed from naming..." - linked to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Hezbollah userbox.
7. According to WP:WIAPA: "Threats or actions which deliberately expose other Wikipedia editors to political, religious or other persecution by a government...". Labeling Wikipedia editors as "extremely pro-Zionist" exposes them to government persecution in several countries. For example Iran (editors may reside, travel, or transit through): "Group Of Evangelical Christians Arrested In Iran And Labeled 'Zionist Christians'" [34], or a philosopher imprisoned and questioned for his alleged writing of "papers in support of the Zionists".[35].

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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WP:ASPERSIONS applies to continually accuse another of egregious misbehavior in an attempt to besmirch his or her reputation. I admit I repeatedly called this obvious NoCal sock a NoCal sock. The "extremely Zionist or pro-Palestinian" comment, which is about edits, and not as dishonestly claimed above about an editor, however is not that. I can substantiate that each of the editors I named have a demonstrated history of extremely Zionist and anti-Palestinian editing. E.M.Gregory has authored Anti-semitic anti-Zionism, List of deaths and critical injuries caused by Palestinian stone-throwing, and a string of articles that had as their common topic "Palestinians as terrorists". Shrike, when not just reverting, followed this edit with this one. Icewhiz, well, thats a longer list. But here, a simple one, part-time historian, fine to use when it is a pro-Zionist voice as opposed to an actual historian who happens to be cited as a pro-Palestinian voice is A book by a visible activist and self described as Finkelstein’s magnum opus is both a monument to Gaza’s martyrs and an act of resistance against the forgetfulness of history. is definitely a WP:BIASED source. All those editors do have a history of pro-Zionist and anti-Palestinian editing. That isnt an aspersion, its a fact. As far as calling this new editor an obvious sock of NoCal, well, dont be so obvious then. And for the record, the lie that I accused anybody of harboring any ethnic hatred is just that. A lie. I said, and say, that a number of editors who have taken it as their common goal to label a Palestinian woman an Israeli have that history. That is true. nableezy - 21:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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