Wikipedia:Third opinion: Difference between revisions

This process is neither official nor mandatory. Rather, it is a non-binding, informal mechanism through which two editors currently in dispute can request an opinion from an unbiased third party.

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Third opinion is a means to request an outside opinion in a dispute between two editors. When two editors cannot agree, either editor may list a dispute here to seek a third opinion. The third opinion process requires good faith and civility on both sides of the dispute.

This page is primarily for informally resolving disputes involving only two editors. If any more complex dispute cannot be resolved through talk page discussion, you can follow the other steps in the dispute resolution process. The informal nature of the third opinion process is its chief advantage over more formal methods of resolving disputes.

Respondents appreciate feedback about the outcome of the dispute, either on the article's talk page or on their own talk page. We want to know whether the outcome was positive or not and this helps us to maintain and improve the standards of our work.

Be sure to discuss the dispute on the talk page as the first step in the process before making a request here. If, after discussion, only two editors are involved, you may list the dispute below in the Active disagreements section. Otherwise, please follow other methods in the dispute resolution process.

Follow these instructions to make your post:

1. Begin a new entry with a # symbol below earlier entries to preserve the numbering and chronological order of the list.
2. Provide a section link to the specific talk page section followed by a brief neutral description of the dispute.
3. Sign with five tildes (~~~~~) to add the date without your name. This is important to maintain neutrality.

Do not discuss on this page: confine the discussion to the talk page where the dispute is taking place.

You may also consider adding {{3O}} to the top of the article. List of tagged articles.

1. Template talk:New York state elections. Also seen on my talk page, disagreement on whether or not Template:New York state elections should include all state election and gubernatorial election pages, or if state election pages and gubernatorial election pages should be confined to independent templates. 22:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2. Talk:Kents Hill School#2008 Akwor edits. Several rounds of delete and reposting over NPOV issues. 02:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
3. Talk:OnMobile#removing unreferenced material. Should information about the company's stock price drop be included in the article. See article history. 18:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
4. Talk:Michael Shellenberger. Please comment on proposal to delete article and move relevant material to an article on the book which is the sole reason the subject is notable (WP:ONEEVENT). 15:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
5. Talk:Venezuela Information Office. One editor (who created the article, apparently for this purpose) insists on listing past employees of the organisation. Please comment on suitability for inclusion, bearing in mind WP:BLP policy on non-public figures. 15:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
6. Talk:Phi Kappa Phi#On the Claim that Phi Kappa Phi is the Most Selective All-discipline Honor Society. One editor thinks it is numerically clear this is the case, the other editor disagrees with the definition of "selective" being used. We are at a stalemate. Thank you! 6:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

• Third opinions must be neutral. If you have previously had dealings with the article or with the editors involved in the dispute which would bias your response, do not offer a third opinion on that dispute.
• Read the arguments of the disputants.
• Do not provide third opinions recklessly. Remember that Wikipedia works by consensus, not a vote. In some cases both sides may have presented valid arguments, or you may disagree with both. Provide reasoning behind your argument.
• Provide third opinions on the disputed article talk pages, not on this page. Sign your comments on the associated talk page as normal, with four tildes, like so: ~~~~.
• Write your opinion in a civil and nonjudgmental way.
• Consider keeping pages on which you have given a third opinion on your watchlist for a few days. Often, articles listed here are watched by very few people.
• If it's not clear what the dispute is, put {{subst:third opinion|your_username}} in a new section on the talk page of the article.
• For third opinion requests that do not follow the instructions above, it is possible to alert the requesting party to that fact by employing {{uw-3o}}.
• When providing a third opinion, please remove the listing from this page and mention in the summary which dispute you have removed and how many remain. If this is done before responding, other volunteers are less likely to duplicate your effort.
• Check the article for a {{3O}} tag. Be sure to remove this tag from the article and/or talk page.

If you support this project you may wish to add the {{User Third opinion}} userbox to your user page.

Active contributors (those who watchlist the page, review disputes, and update the list of active disagreements with informative edit summaries) may add themselves to the Category:Third opinion Wikipedians.