Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
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Paramilitary?
editBy Wikipedia's own definition "A paramilitary is a military that is not part of a country's official or legitimate armed forces." RSS is not a social and cultural organization, it's not an armed paramilitary organization. This is totally bizarre and misleading characterization. It is a legal organization within India and they're not armed or trained like soldiers. Yasarhossain07 (talk) 16:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. If no objections, I'd like to remove this by end of week.
- In general, this article is full of NPOV violations even if yes the characterizations are sourced by some book I can't readily access. Calling the RSS a "far-right" group is also quite questionable (the BJP typically wins over a third of the vote in India - it's solidly in the mainstream), and I can only find rather left-wing sources making that claim. Usaar33 (talk) 21:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, please omit the word paramilitary for describing the RSS Deepti du 27 (talk) 20:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- the use of the word "paramilitary" is backed by several well known sources and any removal in the introductory part of the article should only be done through a vote. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 13:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, please omit the word paramilitary for describing the RSS Deepti du 27 (talk) 20:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove This Line. During the colonial period, the RSS collaborated with the British Raj and played no role in the Indian independence movement. 103.177.252.103 (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why, exactly? Such a statement cites these two sources, both of which seems pretty reliable to me:
- Lal, Vinay (2003). The History of History: Politics and Scholarship in Modern India. Oxford University Press. p. 2. ISBN 978-0-19-566465-2.
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the paramilitary organization which advocates a militant Hinduism and a Hindu polity in modern India, not only played no role in the anti-colonial struggle but actively collaborated with the British.
- Bhatt, Chetan (2020). Hindu Nationalism: Origins, Ideologies and Modern Myths. Routledge. p. 99. ISBN 978-1-000-18104-3.
RSS was not considered an adversary by the British. On the contrary, it gave loyal consent to the British to be part of the Civic Guard.
- Lal, Vinay (2003). The History of History: Politics and Scholarship in Modern India. Oxford University Press. p. 2. ISBN 978-0-19-566465-2.
- ZionniThePeruser (talk) 22:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: The passage in question is reliably sourced. — kashmīrī TALK 23:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Update total Shakhas Count.
editAdd the updated number of Shakhas as 72,000 as of 2024. Refer this article -https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rss-plans-to-have-one-lakh-shakhas-appoint-2-500-new-pracharaks-in-country-101679053852365.html#:~:text=tThere%20are%20currently%2072%2C000%20shakhas%20in%20the%20country Pratik.S2005 (talk) 06:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please remove the word "Paramilitary" because RSS is a non profit organization which works for all the communities in india.They do social services, disaster management and festival management,so word Paramilitary is misleading 43.242.225.12 (talk) 16:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: reliable sources describe it as a paramilitary organization (t · c) buidhe 13:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Remove the word paramilitary
editPlease remove the description that RSS is a paramilitary organisation from your third line. RSS does not fall under the purview of this definition and it is offensive too to call it a paramilitary organisation. Deepti du 27 (talk) 20:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not done, since this is how multiple reliable sources call the RSS.[1][2][3][4][5] — kashmīrī TALK 20:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that one can not have original research on Wikipedia but basically the only "weapons training" the RSS conducts is how to use sticks, hardly a sign of a paramilitary force.Anyhow, it is for the RSS to correct the perception.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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2409:40D4:404C:E9BE:9CB2:DDE5:D527:7E58 (talk) 05:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Propagators remove
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Rss is not involved in anti muslim activity
editRemove this 2409:40C2:1158:5967:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 03:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Ambedkar's view on need of exclusive Hindu organisations
editB.R Ambedkar , the Father of Indian constitution ,in his book Pakistan or Partition of India, raised concerns about the potential for Muslim aspirations to transform India into a Muslim state, which the author views as a threat to internal peace and stability in a future self-governing India. He suggested the necessity of a strong, exclusive Hindu organizations like Hindu Mahasabha , RSS to safeguard Hindu interests against islamists.
“The Hindus and the Moslems as we find them, their relations a bit bettered, perhaps a bit worsened. No realist can be blind to the probability that the extra-territorial designs and the secret urge goading on the Moslems to transform India into a Moslem state may at any time confront the Hindustani state even under self-government either with a Civil War or treacherous overtures to alien invaders by the Moslems. Then again there is every likelihood that there will ever continue at least for a century to come a danger of fanatical riots, the scramble for services, legislative seats, weight- ages out of proportion to their population on the part of the Moslem minority and consequently a constant danger threatening internal peace. To checkmate this probability which if we are wise we must always keep in view even after Hindustan attains the status of a self-governing country, a powerful and exclusive organization of Hindudom like the Hindu Maha Sabha will always prove a sure and devoted source of strength, a reserve force for the Hindus to fall back upon to voice their grievances more effectively than the joint Parliament can do, to scent danger ahead, to warn the Hindus in time against it and to fight out if need be any treacherous design to which the joint state itself may unwittingly fall a victim.” - Pakistan or Partition of India (Page 123) - BR Ambedkar
Aravind Sivaprasad (talk) 18:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Given that your source is BJP.org, part of the RSS sangh parivar, the content you want to add will get swiftly deleted. I recommend you find a third party independent source for Ambedkar's views on this matter if you want this to be added to the article.Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 20:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)