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This article, Nassau, should be Nassau, Bahamas.

Nassau (state) should be Nassau as it is the oldest origin of all Nassau references, with a link to Nassau (disambiguation).

No, policy says it should be the most commonly used name - so Nassau, Bahamas should get this name. Guettarda 21:09, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thats not NPOV. It may be common where you are, if I say "Nassau" where I am, 100% of the people (about 15 000 000) will think of the House of Orange-Nassau, not of Nassau, Bahamas. If I say the same in Germany, even more people will think of Nassau (state) first. 217.121.144.89 21:08, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Policy says that most common use of the name in English should get the name, or, if you have some conflict about what the most commonly used name is, then you make it the disambiguation page. The overwhelming majority of links to Nassau are for Nassau, Bahamas. And 15 million isn't that much. Even on the German Wikipedia it's a disambiguation page. Guettarda 13:19, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I reverted this back to a redirect to Nassau, Bahamas. I think that article should eventually be moved here. If you still disagree, let me know and I will list this page at RfC.
From Wikipedia:Naming convention: Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. Guettarda 21:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I know this issue was officially settled in favor of disambiguation, but when you search "Nassau" in English-language Google, the Wikipedia entry for Nassau, Bahamas is the first result. Isn't this a very strong indicator that Nassau, Bahamas is what most English speakers associate with Nassau?

My two unsolicited cents not intended to invoke any WP policy: I'm American and for me "Nassau" has always held an association with Bahamas. It's also very silly to me that a direct link to Nassau, Bahamas, was assaulted for being Amerocentric in the same argument suggesting that a search for "Nassau" gives Nassau, Bahamas and House of Nassau equal weight. "Amerocentric" -- or "America-centric," as per the discussion -- is a pretty coded term insofar as it implies a certain hegemonic bias. Nassau, Bahamas is over 90 percent black, a population with ancestral routes to freed slaves; the House of Nassau is a white German dynasty and indeed the colony of Nassau's namesake. I'm no P.C. Principal raging against a pervasive conspiracy to whitewash Wikipedia or whatever all those thinkpieces a while back were on about, but I can't be the only one who sees strong irony and a pseudoacademic tango around the history of colonialism in the argument for disambiguation. EmDoubleEweEl (talk) 18:01, 30 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 2005

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The capital city of present-day independent nation should get primary topic disambiguation; nothing on the disambiguation page (currently, Nassau) comes close. The related move NassauNassau (disambiguation) would also be necessary. –Hajor 01:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

This discussion is really not necessary. Even if the current Nassau was moved to Nassau (disambiguation), no one would ever type such a search. Already based on technicalities, "Nassau" would ultimately have to lead to "Nassau (disambiguation)". Gryffindor 13:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

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I completely agree with User:Eugene van der Pijll. To rename this into Nassau is america-centric thinking. So what if it's the capital, there are plenty of other "Nassau" to oppose this move. Gryffindor 18:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
  • Support Nassau is the capital of the independent state and as such it's more important than the other uses.  Grue  11:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose the disambig page is perfect as it is - renaming would be America-centric as well as a-historic. And as there are different opinons, a disambig page is a very good way to get around without having to decide what "the real Nassau" is, aka NPOV. --Reinhard 16:21, 22 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
    • Actually to rename this would not be America-centric, but Anglo-centric (Anglo meaning in this sense English language). Nassau to most English speakers would mean the capital of the Bahamas, and this is English Wiki after all, not German or Dutch Wiki. Note: this is not a view to support move. Mark
  • Oppose. AFAIC, both the Bahama and German-related articles are roughly equal in significance and hence neither should get primary topic designation. olderwiser 17:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose. – Axman () 05:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose. Leave as is. Mark 11:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Even German Wikipedia doesn't prioritise German Nassau - it's a disambig page. And Nassau/Bahamas' prominence in English is enough to prioritise it. Rd232 talk 14:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Discussion

One comment: from the discussion above (and perhaps Guettarda can confirm) the Bahamian capital appears to have been here at Nassau in the not-so-distant past.

And one query: Septentrionalis brings up both Hesse-Nassau or Nassau County, New York. According to our article naming policies, neither of those would be eligible for the coveted undisambiguated Nassau; at the most, they might get a redirect, like San Francisco redirects to San Francisco, California. The query is something that occurred to me in the recent discussion over moving Windsor to Windsor, Berkshire, and it goes something like this: "In deciding primary topic disambiguation, does the fact that an article's natural location, per naming conventions, would place it at the undisambigged location give it any degree of precedence over rivals that, per conventions, would not normally get that location?" –Hajor 01:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Nassau, Bahamas was at Nassau for a long time - and anon moved it, saying that the German state of Nassau (historical state) was older, so should have the dominant name. I changed it to a redirect back to the the Bahamian capital. Someone later changed it to a dab page. Guettarda 02:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Is this all in one request then, along with the old september entry for switching Nassau and Nassau (disambiguation)? Ryan Norton T | @ | C 03:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • Yes but I don't quite understand your point then. I totally agree with you that the country of Georgia should be named "Georgia", while the U.S. state should be renamed into something different. But then you want the Bahamas Nassau, which is actually named after the dynasty or a person from there, who in turn are named after the county/duchy, which in turn is named after the castle and the original town in Germany, to have precedence over all the other ones? Sorry, that just makes no sense, based on what criterias are you making your point? Gryffindor 09:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
    • Based on the importance to the world as a whole. How anything is named is irrelevant. Dollar is named after some obscure German coin as well, but it is much more important.  Grue  10:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
      • Based on the importance in the world? That's completely a POV, Wikipedia should try to remain neutral. ps: btw, the dollar comes from Taler, which was anything but "obscure". Gryffindor 23:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

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Revert

Anyone else notice how this article shrank insanely? Pilotguy I think needs to explain his reverting here... I can see that the article pre revert could be considered an advert/not notable, but I want to hear it from Pilotguy on what was wrong with the article so maybe we can fix it. Galactor213 16:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Reply


From comparing PilotGuy's version with the previous version, it looks to me like he removed a lot of content he considered commercial. Lots of it does read like advertising copy. However, some of that info could certainly be rewritten so that it doesn't have that bias. Karen Joslin 13:08, 31 August 2006

"The city has a population of 365,9284 (2005 census), nearly 70 percent of the entire population of the Bahamas (303,611). " This math doesn't work out right on my calculator.

A picture of the central portion of the Atlantis resort is NOT representative of the Nassau skyline. Nassau has a beautiful skyline without lying and cheating. The old Colonial Hilton is spectacular. Atlantis is on the old island called Goat Island until the developers ruined it and renamed it. And don't ever forget, The Bahamas are NOT in the Caribbean!

"The" Bahamas

Should the title read "Nassau, The Bahamas"? The The Bahamas page is titled "The Bahamas" and the CIA World Factbook titles its page "Bahamas, The" I think the "the" is part of the name. What does anyone else think? link title

That is correct. The official name of the country is "The Commonwealth of The Bahamas", aka "Islands of The Bahamas", "The Bahama Islands", (note, no "s" on Bahama in this use) or "The Bahamas". Use of the term "Bahamas" without the "The" is actually incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.121.18 (talk) 19:53, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Also, the picture is actually of Paradise Island, not New Providence which is the location of Nassau. Although connected to Nassau by a bridge, Paradise Island is a separate island and the image should probably be of Nassau or New Providence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.121.18 (talk) 19:56, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Also, I am going to make a revision of the last sentence in the opening paragraph. --Gree6021 05:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

You might want to fix that. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.14.248.62 (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Travel Info

Here are a few tips for those traveling to Nassau Bahamas. Nassau has the most unbelievably beautiful ocean I have ever seen. First of all if your not rich stay away from Paradise Island when it comes to eating or sleeping. I suggest Orange Hill Beach Inn, it's out of the way of the Americanized area of Paradise Island. Pick one of the many hotels on Nassau. Be sure to eat at the fish fry under the bridge connecting Paradise Island and Nassau. There are many little stands that sell food, don't be afraid to try the food, it's great. Also be sure to go to Twin Brothers restaurant and have a daiquiri, there the best. The people of the Bahamas are extremely nice, talk to them. If you need help with something or need info ask them but be sure to say hello before asking for something. On the weekends the locals hang out on the beech in Nassau,not paradise island, and party: Join in.If you like to gamble but know your not going to win then try one of the two casinos. One of which is in Atlantis, on Paradise Island, and the other smaller casino on the main island of Nassau. Remember in the Bahamas they don't have the gaming and gambling laws that most industrialised countries have. Just like any where else there are people you should be wary of. Be cautious of the taxis you get into and the people your exchanging money with. The people of the Bahamas work hard and need your money to survive. The straw market is a good example of this. If you can't handle people trying to get you to buy something then don't go in, it can be very frustrating. Most of the things in the markets are the same at each vendor and some are not authentic items of the Bahamas so be sure you know what your buying. Bargain, bargain, bargain, don't take the first offer from the markets or from taxis. Don't get into a taxi unless you already set a price for your destination. If your not in a hurry take the bus system. The fairly quick contractors of the public transportation will save you lots of money. They charge a dollar to anywhere, but run on routes. (If your going to Orange Hill Beach Inn it may be a bit more). Find the guy's renting jet ski's and para-sailing and do it, it's awesome. Do anything with Stuarts Cove [http://67.199.62.226/index.aspx]. Let me suggest snorkeling with sharks, trust me it's safe and unforgettable. Last but not least take the Fast Ferry for a day trip to Harbour Island and rent a golf cart and explore this true paradise. When your at the beach in Harbour Island give your eyes a second to adjust as you realize the sand is pink. Harbour Island has the most extraordinary sand. I've been to my share of relaxing beach destinations and so far Nassau Bahamas is the top of the cake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.243.48 (talkcontribs) 04:22, 16 September 2008

Please read WP:NOT#CHAT and WP:NOTADVERTISING: "Bear in mind that talk pages exist for the purpose of discussing how to improve articles; they are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article". "Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so." Afv2006 (talk) 08:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Demographics

I came to this page to find out the demographics of Nassau, but found very little. In particular, what is the percentage breakdown between the white and black populations? Anybody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.43.30 (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Square Kilometers

I know there is no local government, but how large is the federal district of New Providence in square kilometers of which the city would be municipaly coterminus with? --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

History

"Lord Dunmore governed the colony from 1787 to 1796 and oversaw the construction of Fort Charlotte in Nassau.

Ardastra Gardens, Zoo and Conservation Centre was opened in 1982 and was the first zoo in The Bahamas. It had previously been a botanical garden since 1937."

Is there really no history between 1796 and 1982?

(Will Hambling 20:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Will.hambling (talkcontribs)

Copied content?

The contents of the paragraph titled "Over-The-Hill" is basically identical to the article Bain town - Its early history by Gail Saunders, The Nassau Guardian, May 05, 2005. It was added here on this edit (omitting the last few lines of the original for unknown reason). I suppose this may be considered a breach of copyrights and should be checked carefully. Amnon s (talk) 12:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Skyline photo

I think the photo of the skyline is a bit misleading as it's just a picture of the Atlantis Resort, which is actually across the bay on Paradise Island. I will be there next month and try to get a better picture of the city from the bay looking in toward Bay Street.199.76.171.153 (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)Reply

I also feel that the Atlantis Resort photo is inappropriate for use as the lead image for this article, which clearly states that Nassau lies on the island of New Providence. The Atlantis Resort lies not on the island of New Providence, but on Paradise Island. The two islands are distinctly separate, linked only by an elevated roadway which spans the harbor between the two. Nassau was a vibrant city long before Atlantis showed up. A photo of the downtown area and/or the buildings therein would be a better lead image. - TampAGS (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

The Official link is broken. LOL-117 (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Don't know what the problem is. Let's give it a day or two to see if the problem is fixed. -- Donald Albury 21:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

The infobox

The infobox on this page is just appearing as text at the top of the page. I'm new so I don't feel qualified trying to fix it myself. Ialangford (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 2014

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The result of the move request was: Page not moved: no consensus for this move Ground Zero | t 12:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)Reply



– Obvious primary topic. There is nothing of note on the disambiguation page that is anything but a partial title match except for the historic German city/duchy/area (population: 5,209; pageviews: 529 a month; historical impact: minimal - stats for the duchy are not much different) or the capital of the Bahamas (population: 248,948; pageviews: 28,476 a month; historical impact: highly significant). I daresay that if a capital city in a country full of white people had a quarter of a million people and was far more commonly referred to in academic sources (as compared to just about anything else), it would get primary topic over a smaller if very historic area in an island country. But the Bahamian city currently doesn't, and I'm forced to wonder why. Let's fix this problem of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, Wikipedia. Over 2,000 people a month are delayed from finding out information by getting to this disambiguation page instead of the page that both common sense and pageview statistics tell us that they want. Red Slash 18:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

@ User:Vegaswikian - Have you any evidence that that the county's common name is soley "Nassau" on its own and not "Nassau County"? Because on google books I get 108 results for "Nassau New York" and 805,000 for "Nassau County". IJA (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
Yea, we can do the digging. Books tend to be formal. When people in NYC say they are going to Nassau, they generally mean the county. They don't say Nassau County. In fact if you take a survey you will find this through out the US. Do you say you are going to San Fransisco or San Fransisco County? Vegaswikian (talk) 17:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Weak Oppose. Nassau County has been viewed 12000 times last month and has a much larger population. If it was just that in opposition, I'd agree with the move (or at least changing the redirect), but the historic house of Europe seems relevant as well. I will say that I'm in favor of rigging the current Nassau Disambiguation page to have the most important & frequent usages on top rather than forcing users to browse through the 'directory', so Nassau, Bahamas; Nassau County; & the House of Nassau should be the first 3 links, followed by everything else. SnowFire (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment @ User:SnowFire - Your examples for opposition are all null and void per Partial Title Match. None of the examples you have given, go soley by the name "Nassau" unlike the capital city of the Bahamas. IJA (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • This was already discussed above. I don't find the argument convincing. Specifically, PTM is about entries that don't deserve to be on a disambiguation page despite partially matching the title, e.g. specific Zoos at Zoo (disambiguation). Are you seriously claiming that you think Nassau County / House of Nassau / etc. should all be removed from the disambiguation page (wherever it ends up)? If not, then PTM is irrelevant, since you agree they're all entities a reader who typed "Nassau" might be interested in... SnowFire (talk) 14:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose - There is no clear primary topic right now. For historical significance, "Nassau" is German and has always been, and House of Nassau has been historically significant. For popularity, Bahamas? New York? Currently, no one realizes German connections and ancestry to "Nassau", and were Germans in Bahamas? --George Ho (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose Definitely no clear primary topic, and if anything I would say it was the German region based on historical significance. It's silly to claim systemic bias when we're talking about a high-income North American country that's a popular tourist destination, and when there's no evidence for anything of the sort. —innotata 01:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose. The German state and royal houses are just as significant historically. They would certainly be my first thought if the name Nassau was mentioned. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Public Security, crime, corruption, and appearance of the city

I discovered that major parts article are simply unsourced marketing ... after I visited, and found the reality to deviate dramatically from the portrayal here. Good sources for the conditions and problems of real-life Nassau are plentiful, and so I've begun improving this article with a new Public Securty section under demographics.

I plan to continue by replacing unsourced marketing material with well sourced information.

Dogweather (talk) 09:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Reply