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USA representation

Just a suggestion but maybe we should have the USA represented as their idividual states like Samkeah (sorry if I miss spelled that) represent his US state of choice and I'll represent Florida. Get what I'm saying cause alot would want to represent the US IMO this way we satisfy everyone that wants to. And you might even want to do it with every country that has a state like thing going (like Canada)-- ✼ CM 16^{Merry Christmas!!} 19:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should be able to represent a state (of any country) or a country itself. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 19:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think that's fine. I'll update the page to suit. B G^7even 19:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So long as the USA doesn't enter 50 teams into the next FIFA World Cup then it should be fine :) Kennedy ^(talk) 10:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe ;) I hope not. At that stage England ( :P ) might be in with a chance! B G^7even 12:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nations' Cup

I think we should have a nations' cup as well as an editors' cup. Each nation will be able to enter two individual editors. At the end of each round, the combined points from the two editors will be tallied up and the last place nation is eliminated. Basically, it's the same format as the editors' up, just tallied two editors at a time. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 16:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds cool. It get editors to work together. Please explain some more. VandalFighterFR(V) Bad warning? 16:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a cool idea (again, I hadn't thought about it!). Would it be run simultaniously with the wikicup meaning the points from each user are the same as wikicup, and just added? Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 16:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

multiple e/c Hmm... it's not a bad idea in essence, i'm just thinking that it might be a bit hard to put into practice. What if one England editor was in the lead, the other was at the bottom, and they had the lowest points. What would happen then? The top editor be eliminated? Or they have to pick a new country? Could you possibly expand a bit please? B G^7even 16:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c)Each countries points would be tallied so.... please explain. VandalFighterFR(V) Bad warning? 16:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start a draft in my sandbox. VandalFighterFR(V) Bad warning? 16:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

e/c (2)What you said BG wouldn't happen if you ran it at the same time as the wikicup. Meaning you have the wikicup, and this idea seperatly, but the points are the same.Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 16:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... perhaps not then - there are only two judges remember, unless we take a competition each. I'll work on a draft as well! B G^7even 16:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you got what I said, let me explain. We run the wikicup as planned. We have round one, two, QF,SF and final. You count the points as planned (you're a judge). Imagine It's the end of the first round, I have 1000 points and win my group. Simultaniously to this we have the nations cup. You take the points from the two editors in the wikicup, and add them (Imagine I'm with you and you have 1000 points too) and you get a total of 2000 points. Ok, in the wikicup, you were in a tough group, kennedy and Chenzw got 1200 and 1100, you got eliminated. However in the nations cup, we got 2000 points, we win our group. You stay in the nations cup, and I stay in the nations cup and the wikicup. So even if you are out of one of the cup, you can still be in the other one. Hope this helps. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 16:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

reset Ok, I get it now ;). But my new concern is that this would only be able to run if a considerable amount of editors had the same country. Unless we group States and Countries together (i.e. USAx2 and Florida) and say UK countries together (GB, England and Scotland is what we have so far). In addition we have the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China. It could work, but perhaps not this year, unless you want to message all members ;) - there's a template for it :P Also, would issues not perhaps arise within the cup with users of the same team? B G^7even 16:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ecX6) To BG7: Yes, both editors' points would be tallied up at the end of each round. Example: Let's say Zimbabwe's editors got a 15 and a 15.1. Both of these editors' points would be added, and that would be Zimbabwe's score for that round.

If an editor is eliminated but chooses to aid his teammate, any points that would've been gained by the eliminated editor would be added to their teammate's total.

To Yotcmdr: Yes, it runs alongside the editors' cup. Just as the bottom editor in each round gets eliminated, the bottom nation in each round gets eliminated as well. Also, the judges from the editors' cup will tally points for the nations as well.

Additionally, there are two ways a nation can get eliminated: one, if they score lowest in the nations' cup, and two, if both editors are eliminated. Once an editor is eliminated from the Editors' Cup, they cannot choose a new nation. They can either help their teammate, or leave the competition fully. Any articles they create will not be counted toward their nation's or teammate's points.

Nations with multiple regions will not be able to enter a team for each region, to avoid confusion and to reduce the chances that the competition will be "flooded" with a crapload of editors from each part of the country. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 16:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(to BG)That's not hard to resolve. You have a country for the wikicup and one for the nations cup (different or the same).Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 16:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(To GP75)I think that even if both editors are eliminated from the editors (wiki) cup they should still be able to compete in the nations cup. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 17:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

e/c Hmm... i'm still worried that it will be just too complicated. I don't think we are going to be able to integrate it easily into the current competition without having to start a new one, and to do that it would mean pinging all editors and asking them to re-pick countries... and asking again if there is only one of each country. Sorry, I

Strong oppose to this idea as I just don't think that it is feasible for the 2009 competition. Had it been suggested sooner, then maybe, but users are already settled with their countries and I just think it's too complex. Get a couple more judges in, for the seperate project, and maybe. Or ask users to "borrow" their scores from the editors cup and basically "run" the Nation's cup themselves (with the Judges overlooking of course) then also maybe. You can still convince me otherwise though ;) - just suggest it and make it work ;) B G^7even 17:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll run it myself as you said. It souldn't be to hard to add up points. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 17:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. (Don't take this in an owny way or anything, I just don't think it would work!). Like I said, if it's got a good setup and works well, then i'll be happy to judge it ;) It shouldn't take too much doing, just to make sure no-one is fiddling the points! B G^7even 17:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To yotcmdr: No, nations for the editors' and nations' will be the same, unless both slots for the nations' are taken up, at which point the editor will have to choose a new one.

To BG7, that would technically be impossible as this competition would be running alongside the editors'. Also, all current entries can stay as they are. If there's only one slot taken for a country, that's OK. The country will still be entered, it just won't have much of a chance at winning. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, countries stay the same. I'll set it up later and if to many people play around with the points I'll protect the page. Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 17:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm slowly being converted over to it ;). I'll add some stuff to the Sandbox page, and i'll also message editors asking them if they want to participate (it should be optional!). Finally, what shall we do with States/Counties. Group them together, or ask users to change? Thanks, B G^7even 17:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

States won't be allowed to compete, because technically it could be used to "tip the scales" toward the country they are in. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, sounds good. On second thoughts, i'm not really sure what could be added to the sandbox page, but i'll start grouping users together and pinging everyone. It's your idea, so please add to it ;) B G^7even 17:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(rs)I've set up an example of the scoring system here. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 18:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like the example (especially because I win in it!).Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 19:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed my flagicon from Bulgaria to Rhineland-Palatinate (Germany). Tharnton345 19:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To Yotcmdr: Thanks. :P

Notice that the lowest score is in red; I thought it'd be easier to pick out. :D --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 19:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's good. Has it been set up yet, and have you warned all the competitors of the wikicup that this is also happening? And who can I team up with, anyone? Yotcmdr^{Sign up for the wikicup}=talk= 19:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I like it. I'll ping everyone now about it, and re-work the page (Wikipedia:Wikicup/2009 Nations) tomorrow. This is getting quite exciting ;)

I think it would be better to have a seperate page for the scores, that uses raw data from the main wikicup (a bot could possibly update it) and then it could be manually added into the pools table daily by one of the judges. But perhaps they're not needed - as it runs off the main cup, it could probably be just run by the users with the judges looking in every week or so, and then also dealing with the pools etc ;)

Cheers,

B G^7even 19:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, B G^7even 19:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. Can't wait to see the revamp. --Cheers, Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]